The Most Courageous Hero EVER... Luigi.

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10 Dec 2011, 1:28 pm

Anyone who's played Luigi's mansion will understand. Luigi treks into this haunted mansion he was deathly scared of to save his brother. He's trembling with fear most of the time, Scared s**tless as he cries out for his lost brother. If anyone knows a more courageous hero, go ahead and explain yourself. I mean, Link, the character branded with the Triforce of Courage, acts more like a mentally handicapped swordsman who can't understand and recognize danger, with no sense of self preservation. Running headlong into danger without looking twice, confronting giant monsters, even as a child, with no backup or even promise of survival, and showing no fear? That's not Courage. That's Stupidity.

So... Yeah. Luigi is the most Courageous hero ever.



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10 Dec 2011, 1:39 pm

I don't know if I would call Luigi the most courageous hero ever, but he is pretty brave. I did like Luigi's mansion. Did they ever make a sequel?

Anyway, your post reminded me of this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXXiwSf-onA[/youtube]


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10 Dec 2011, 1:45 pm

yes, they did make a sequel for the wii.



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10 Dec 2011, 2:12 pm

Hope Esthiem from Final Fantasy XIII is more courageous than Luigi in Luigi's Mansion. Having to deal with all these different emotions while staying strong for a dead mother is way more courageous than looking for a brother you know Nintendo will probably never kill off. I don't think there's a most courageous hero ever.



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10 Dec 2011, 2:33 pm

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Having to deal with all these different emotions while staying strong for a dead mother is way more courageous than looking for a brother you know Nintendo will probably never kill off.


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12 Dec 2011, 7:15 pm

Hope is voiced by Vincent Martella, AKA Phineas. Yes, that Phineas. Also, Luigi really doesn't get enough credit, but Nintendo has actually made some references to this in official works now. (A video for the release of that Mario Sports Mix thing and I believe a couple games)



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12 Dec 2011, 8:28 pm

Well they say that true courage is not the absense of fear, but the will to fight despite the amount of fear.

Reminds me of what consider to be one of the bravest anime characters I have seen; It is a guy who is so shy that he is afraid of people even looking at him and would generally cower when some one confronted him, but despite that when something really mattered he would fight.

Oh and about the Triforce of Courage.


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13 Dec 2011, 2:31 am

Zidiane wrote:
yes, they did make a sequel for the wii.


"Luigi's Mansion 2" is coming to the Nintendo 3DS sometime in 2012.



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15 Dec 2011, 11:25 am

playing as luigi in paper mario for the wii is awsome.

i have a huge luigi soft cuddly toy that lives on my bed, i also have a lil luigi but i lost it.

luigi is my favorite.


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15 Dec 2011, 11:36 am

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Hope Esthiem from Final Fantasy XIII is more courageous than Luigi in Luigi's Mansion. Having to deal with all these different emotions while staying strong for a dead mother is way more courageous than looking for a brother you know Nintendo will probably never kill off. I don't think there's a most courageous hero ever.


No he isn't. Are you sure you know what Courage is? Hope was conflicted, but mainly kept moving forward in order to avenge his mother. That isn't Courage, that's revenge fueled Perseverance. And If you are using the argument that Luigi could know that Nintendo wouldn't kill Mario, than I'd counter with Hope knew he and his mother were computer programs and also that his emotions were never real in the first place. I am saying most Courageous because I've never seen another hero complete a game before while shaking with fear the whole time. As Bradleigh said, True Courage is not the absense of fear, but the will to fight despite the amount of fear. In that sense, I haven't ever seen a more Courageous Hero in Gaming than Luigi.



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15 Dec 2011, 1:19 pm

Zidiane wrote:
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Hope Esthiem from Final Fantasy XIII is more courageous than Luigi in Luigi's Mansion. Having to deal with all these different emotions while staying strong for a dead mother is way more courageous than looking for a brother you know Nintendo will probably never kill off. I don't think there's a most courageous hero ever.


No he isn't. Are you sure you know what Courage is? Hope was conflicted, but mainly kept moving forward in order to avenge his mother. That isn't Courage, that's revenge fueled Perseverance. And If you are using the argument that Luigi could know that Nintendo wouldn't kill Mario, than I'd counter with Hope knew he and his mother were computer programs and also that his emotions were never real in the first place. I am saying most Courageous because I've never seen another hero complete a game before while shaking with fear the whole time. As Bradleigh said, True Courage is not the absense of fear, but the will to fight despite the amount of fear. In that sense, I haven't ever seen a more Courageous Hero in Gaming than Luigi.
Why do you think the Pulse L'Cie have to fight Eidolons? Because they've lost their will to fight, and Hope's Eidolon comes way after he's settled things with Snow. There is even a song titled "Will to Fight" when you're playing as Hope. I'd say it takes a lot of courage for Hope to keep on going despit knowing what he's going up agaimst, what's at stake if he doesn't coplete his Focus. After all, the reason L'Cie become Cieth in the first place is because they've given up,lost the courage to keep going.



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20 Dec 2011, 10:56 am

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Why do you think the Pulse L'Cie have to fight Eidolons? Because they've lost their will to fight, and Hope's Eidolon comes way after he's settled things with Snow. There is even a song titled "Will to Fight" when you're playing as Hope. I'd say it takes a lot of courage for Hope to keep on going despite knowing what he's going up against, what's at stake if he doesn't complete his Focus. After all, the reason L'Cie become Cieth in the first place is because they've given up,lost the courage to keep going.


You're using the word Courage interchangeably with Will (As in the Will to keep going). They aren't the same word. Courage is what makes you stand when your legs are immobilized by the fear of falling, and Will is the voice that tells you that you need to keep moving forward. Very similar in function, but fundamentally different. Saying and doing are two completely different things.

I am not saying Hope doesn't show ANY Courage, just that his Courage isn't greater than Luigi's.

About Hope's Focus. At that point, he didn't know why to keep on fighting. He was working with the man who killed his mother, they were fighting an impossible fight, and he had nothing to gain from it. Maybe it would just be better to turn into a Cie'th. Maybe his friends would kill him. Maybe then he would see his mother. Those are the kind of thoughts that brought out his Eildolon. He lost his Purpose to fight, his Will to continue. That had nothing to do with Courage.



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20 Dec 2011, 1:36 pm

Zidiane wrote:
SyphonFilter wrote:
Why do you think the Pulse L'Cie have to fight Eidolons? Because they've lost their will to fight, and Hope's Eidolon comes way after he's settled things with Snow. There is even a song titled "Will to Fight" when you're playing as Hope. I'd say it takes a lot of courage for Hope to keep on going despite knowing what he's going up against, what's at stake if he doesn't complete his Focus. After all, the reason L'Cie become Cieth in the first place is because they've given up,lost the courage to keep going.


You're using the word Courage interchangeably with Will (As in the Will to keep going). They aren't the same word. Courage is what makes you stand when your legs are immobilized by the fear of falling, and Will is the voice that tells you that you need to keep moving forward. Very similar in function, but fundamentally different. Saying and doing are two completely different things.

I am not saying Hope doesn't show ANY Courage, just that his Courage isn't greater than Luigi's.

About Hope's Focus. At that point, he didn't know why to keep on fighting. He was working with the man who killed his mother, they were fighting an impossible fight, and he had nothing to gain from it. Maybe it would just be better to turn into a Cie'th. Maybe his friends would kill him. Maybe then he would see his mother. Those are the kind of thoughts that brought out his Eildolon. He lost his Purpose to fight, his Will to continue. That had nothing to do with Courage.
But Luigi's legs shake almost everytime he sees a ghost in that mansion. And he doesn't seem immobilized to me, otherwise he wouldn't suck up the ghosts in his vacuum. According to the Oxford Dictionary of English:
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n. Strength in the face of pain or grief.
Hope is certianly grieving, yet he continues to fight. What is Luigi grieving about? That he might lose Mario? I guess if you think that works, okay. We'll just have to agree to disagree about your original statement.



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25 Dec 2011, 12:36 am

Alen ridgely from xenosaga series. not only is he brave but one of the best examples of character development i've ever seen. they drag him though hell in the 3 games in the series, and though more scared then he should be he sticks with the group even at the times he had a chance to walk away. and in each game he slowly starts standing up for himself and in 3 i believe played the most critical rule to defeat the enemy.

luigi is brave but the mansion didn't seem all that scary, if he was in fatal frame's mansion i would totally agree, that's the downside to cartoony graphics i guess. i found the game more boring then anything my bro is the one that played it. i guess i wanted something a bit more on the horror side. like fatal frame.

but alen gets my vote no matter what. even made video tribute.


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26 Dec 2011, 12:53 am

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Alen ridgely from xenosaga series. not only is he brave but one of the best examples of character development i've ever seen. they drag him though hell in the 3 games in the series, and though more scared then he should be he sticks with the group even at the times he had a chance to walk away. and in each game he slowly starts standing up for himself and in 3 i believe played the most critical rule to defeat the enemy.

luigi is brave but the mansion didn't seem all that scary, if he was in fatal frame's mansion i would totally agree, that's the downside to cartoony graphics i guess. i found the game more boring then anything my bro is the one that played it. i guess i wanted something a bit more on the horror side. like fatal frame.

but alen gets my vote no matter what. even made video tribute.
Xenosaga. I've only beat the first one, but it was pretty good.



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26 Dec 2011, 5:44 pm

SyphonFilter wrote:
Jetfox wrote:
Alen ridgely from xenosaga series. not only is he brave but one of the best examples of character development i've ever seen. they drag him though hell in the 3 games in the series, and though more scared then he should be he sticks with the group even at the times he had a chance to walk away. and in each game he slowly starts standing up for himself and in 3 i believe played the most critical rule to defeat the enemy.

luigi is brave but the mansion didn't seem all that scary, if he was in fatal frame's mansion i would totally agree, that's the downside to cartoony graphics i guess. i found the game more boring then anything my bro is the one that played it. i guess i wanted something a bit more on the horror side. like fatal frame.

but alen gets my vote no matter what. even made video tribute.
Xenosaga. I've only beat the first one, but it was pretty good.
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it is the second one seems out of place at times, mostly because of the radical change the character models go through, and shion's voice is annoying. but it still is fun just takes a bit getting used to the characters going from cartoony to semi realistic. but the story is still solid in my opinion, i have all 3 i enjoyed each of them.

i like how they keep the story straight through each game.

but anyway i have to say luigi is brave considering he doesn't fight bowser on a daily basis and goes into a dangerous place i hopes to find his brother, considering his situation not being a skilled as mario, but walking into a place that required skill to get past. it is good example of character development and nice to see that luigi is getting fleshed out a bit.

but he still is mario's brother so he does have potential.

allen however is protayed in the series as not much more then an average human and he goes through alot. but it is nice to see characters in the background get some attention along with the main character/s


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