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12 Aug 2008, 7:47 am

MYTH: The Bible is God's inspired word, given to humankind for our consolation and guidance.

FACT: http://members.aol.com/ckbloomfld/index.html

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12 Aug 2008, 9:23 am

The Bible has errors in it because the writers were human and therefore imperfect themselves. As human beings, we'll always make mistakes and be imperfect. But to deny the divinely inspired nature of Scripture is blasphemous. These are exactly the arguments which the Devil would use to sow doubt among believers. You are not the Devil, but you do his work when you try to get me to believe lies. There's nothing you could say that would come close to testing my faith.

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12 Aug 2008, 10:08 am

BallisticMystic wrote:

philosopherBoi wrote:

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Myth: a story that uses metaphorical symbols to describe something else in a hidden way making it so obvious we don't even look for it.

Fact: what all myths are describing is YOU.

??? what are you talking about your making about .00000001% sense.

No, what makes no sense is taking anything in myth literally as if it were about some mysterious people in a distant land a long time ago and then arguing about how sh** that was never real to begin with went down.

If you were to study all myths and religions a pattern begins to emerge from seeing the same thing in a bunch of different ways. That same thing that you're seeing ends up being you once you look for the obvious. The Bible is based on this pattern and when you read it you should see similarities between biblical events and those of your own life. There are no physical descriptions, pictures, or even last names to any of the characters in the bible for good reason, because they are all YOU. They are you in your many different aspects and ways of looking at yourself. The dialogues between man and god are your own internal dialogues and struggles. It's not an instruction manual for how to be a good person or worship some invisible god, it is a pattern and if your life follows the same pattern you should end up with the same result.

I couldn't agree more. All the religions and scriptures describe the same thing from different angles. It is all metaphors using physical and often magical to describe the interaction of the mind with the physical world.MO

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12 Aug 2008, 10:10 am

MYTH:

slowmutant wrote:

But to deny the divinely inspired nature of Scripture is blasphemous. These are exactly the arguments which the Devil would use to sow doubt among believers. You are not the Devil, but you do his work when you try to get me to believe lies.

FACT:

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12 Aug 2008, 10:14 am

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Are we talking about all scriptures, or merely the ones you identify with?

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12 Aug 2008, 10:17 am

We're talking about the Bible, yes. I identify with the Bible because I am a Christian.

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12 Aug 2008, 10:21 am

How about the rest of the scriptures?

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12 Aug 2008, 10:30 am

I neither accept nor refute the "other" scriptures. It's best if I stick with my own testament, I think. But that's not to say I have no intellectual curiosity about other religions. I do, in fact. But the Bible takes priority here, it must.

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12 Aug 2008, 10:35 am

I see, I like that answer actually, although some would argue that the arguments provided do not actually show the Bible to be factual, and in my view they would be correct.

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12 Aug 2008, 12:16 pm

slowmutant wrote:

The Bible has errors just as we should expect any human product to have defects. To deny the divine inspiration of the Bible is just a natural conclusion from its numerous flaws.

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There's nothing you could say that would come close to testing my faith.

Faith is by definition untestable. That's why it's not to be taken seriously.

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12 Aug 2008, 12:26 pm

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MYTH: Anything, anyone says about the bile is automatically true.

FACT: That's not true.

There are a lot of really crapy interpreters and preachers out there.

As for your facts: Leviticus 18:22 WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? 21 and 22 are separate commandments.
It doesn't matter if Sodom wasn't condemned for homosexuality, they still were homosexual. If your fact was just:

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the bible does state that god destroyed the city Sodom for the attempt to gang rape the angels of the lord and its inhospitality.

then you would have been right.

Do not forget that the bible has been translated many times and meanings of certain words have been lost. Let us look at the word abomination in Leviticus the Hebrew word used is towebhah. The word towebhah refers to a shine prostitute in Job 36:14 it says.

They die in youth, and their life is among the unclean, qadesh, male temple prostitutes [shrine prostitutes].

The bible only talks about homosexual encounters with prostitutes it never mentions loving consenting relationships among members of the same sex.

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12 Aug 2008, 12:41 pm

Committed relationship, gay or straight, is always preferable to careless sex with multiple partners IMO. At least from the standpoint of comunicable disease.

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12 Aug 2008, 1:26 pm

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Trying to rewrite the Bible for personal reasons is deplorable. Usually I'm too polite to use the word sodomite, but we all know what it means and from whence the word came. It's implied in the story that the Sodom & Gomorrah were destroyed due to their practising all manner of sexual sins including homosexuality. Here on WrongPlanet where there many homosexuals this is definitely an unpopular idea. And it wil continue to be an unpopular idea, I think.

Sodomite, in scripture, never refers to homosexuals. Every time sodomite is used in scripture, it refers to cult, shrine, temple prostitutes who worshiped the Canaanite fertility goddess. I'm sorry but your logic is flawed.

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12 Aug 2008, 1:34 pm

My logic isn't in question. Even if sodomite doesn't technically mean homosexual, that's what it's come to mean. It's a colloquialism.

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12 Aug 2008, 3:03 pm

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My logic isn't in question. Even if sodomite doesn't technically mean homosexual, that's what it's come to mean. It's a colloquialism.

No its not and you know it your just holding onto myths. The bible never states that the city of Sodom and Gomorra was destroyed because of homosexual acts it says it was they were destroyed because the turned their backs on god and became completely wicked.

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12 Aug 2008, 3:08 pm

It wasn't exclusively because of homosexual acts that Sodom & Gomorrah were destroyed. These cities were destroyed because the inhabitants' behaviour ran the gamut of immorality. Basically, every kind of wickedness you could name name, Sodom & Gomorrah were doing it. Including things we both would find repulsive. It's not all about you, so get off it.

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