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Liberal = Fascist
Moron = Fascist

=>Liberal = Moron

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wow, people really get funny these days. Liberal, fascist? Republicans are more like fascists really, but hey, I can't expect a dogbrain knowing anything about fascism, right? [nor about how you write QED]

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You = Wrong

Liberals are fascists. They want government to steal everyone's money and hand it out to the masses, just like Hitler set up his social programs. They want massive public works projects, just like Hitler. They are totalitarian and cannot tolerate dissent from their political cult. Liberals are fascists.

Nice joking, Dogbrain. Now I see indeed, why all the fascist countries ever in existence so terribly hated liberals... they were competitors!

The social strategies Hitler set up may have been good things done with good intent to help the German People.

These two statements are too broad.

Good to see that Dogbrain picked his avatar well, suits perfectly.

Sometimes, I don't know where to start. I think I shall start this way. Dogbrain, can we focus on one aspect please? You're all over the map right now.

I love equality. I'm rather liberal. I very much don't like totalitarian regimes. They squash diversity and dissent.

Meh, these accusations are so wild and sweeping, it's a bit insane to try to speak to all of it at once. Let's narrow our focus, shall we?

Ahh Malsane your so much nicer than me! good to see you back

I try. Really, really hard. It's good to be back.

And your opinion of the following?



Liberals obviously hate anyone who dares agree with the liberal agenda.

Dogbrain, you do realize you'd have a better job arguing that the original example sucked and that you were following in it's footsteps as some form of satire rather than defending the position that liberalism is fascism and that morons are fascists as well.

Every group tends to dislike opposing groups, the very nature of these groups is to think that they are correct, and thus to think that their opponents are wrong. Often it turns to mockery of these groups. This in no way proves that liberalism = fascism, heck, the terms are opposites in nature, and the stance behind liberalism tends not to support the aggressive foreign policy and constricted level of social choice that fascism does, at least it does not seek to support it. We can argue that the end of US liberalism would be fascism or some other thing like that, but to argue that the 2 are currently the same is at best folly, and at worst sophistry.

LOL I said you're dumb, and you show yourself. Dumbness has nothing to do woth hate, fellow!

First of all, I'm not "liberal", I'm radical. And you are citing the fact that liberals tend to have a strong dislike of the right as someone suppressing dissent. You should realise that the Republican = Christian proof was a JOKE. I don't think that anyone truly thinks that that proof was really meant to prove anything except you. Also, the right equally hates the left, citing all dissenters as pushing an "agenda" which is a completely meaningless buzzword; every position is an "agenda"; the founding fathers had an "agenda" for democracy against British Colonialism.

Fascism is (a) not a form of government (totalitarianism), but rather an ideology and (b) is by Hitler's own admission a right wing belief. When socialists look at the problems of society, they see at the heart of it class conflict and economic struggle. Fascists look at what's wrong in society and see a scapegoat group of people that cause the problem, whom they generally associate with the left. Hitler himself said that the goal of communists was to deliver the world into the hands of the Jews.



So, who are the American fascists? I'd say the Libertarians and Constitutionalists (citing immigrants and atheists respectively for the problems of society).

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Libertarians hate immigrants? I know a number of them hate taxes, and I know a number of them hate the federal reserve, but immigration?? The libertarian party platform includes the phrase: "Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders.". I mean, I suppose you might be able to get this from vulgar libertarianism which tends to simply be a pack of strange fears than an ideology, or from Milton Friedman arguing the incompatibility of a welfare state and immigration(even though Friedman was a proponent of free immigration), but I don't see this rule coming from anywhere. Do you mean the far-right wing Constitutional party? Because constitutionalism is merely calling for adhering to the limits of the constitution as a prescription and is more libertarian in the US due to the nature of the US constitution and it's relation to society and history, than having anything to do with atheists.

If we had to find American fascists, I'd have to say it would be neo-conservatives for they are a variant of idealist with strong concern about foreign policy as a means to change the world to America's approval, an anything goes attitude towards the size of governmental economic action, and a willingness to ally themselves with social conservative causes. I mean, they are intellectually flexible and willing to stand by anything so long as their utopic militant views are put in place.