Inside job - profiteering from cheap labour in UK prisons

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http://www.schnews.orlabvg.uk/archive/news525.htm

The prisoners should get the option to go outside under guard and work in landscaping, sweeping sstreets etc (im sure most of them would jump at the chance) but private companies forcing people (yes that's what prisoners are despite any crime commited) to work in slave labour condition for their benefit is completely unnacceptable in this day and age. Yet another example of the growing corporate influence in this country to the detriment of the working class person.

Prisons don't typically work to rehabilitate people anyway. By making prisoners do work we can reduce taxes and maybe even hopefully force society to not have to pay for the idiocies of others. However, I would go so far to say that prisoners do not really have any rights because they broke our laws and are therefore subject to whatever punishment we feel is necessary to help the greater whole of society. Prison has gotten too soft I think, I have a friend who has some friends(i know it sounds sort of like a rumor but still anyway) who say that prison was not a bad experience except for the raping and that makes sense because prisoners get a bed, they get food, they get to have some fun activities and all of that, however, those were American prisons I do not know the nature of British prisons. Honestly, homelessness is probably a worse position in society than prison and hobos are just losers they are not necessarily criminals.

put 'em to work, beat em, might as well get some use out of those scumbags

http://www.sundayherald.com/40592

truth is stranger (and a lot scarier) than fiction.

I have honestly no problem with making prisoners work. My taxes go to catch, prosecute, and inprison them as well as the zillion appeals they get. Oh and we get to pay more policer officers to round them up again when they get out. Oh and they get FREE healthcare!! Im a working citizen and I cant get unlimited free healthcare and free legal, in many places free gym access on site, free cable. I say, put their butts to work. build roads, make street signs, what ever. save some of my tax dollars someplace else for goodness sakes.... Its supposed to be PAYING ONES DEBT TO SOCIETY for breaking the freaking law!! !! !! !! !!

Or make the rascals live in tents, wear all pink, and grow their own food like that sheriff did in arizona. funny, the crime rate went DOWN in his county after that program got going.....

so why arent the discount chains getting these scum to mass produce crap at low prices for them? oh yea They'd be worked to death! *please note the satire*

"Mistrust those in whom the urge to punish is strong."

- Friedrich Nietzsche

I say distrust those who cannot by their nature earn it. I have met many people who are less vengeful and more irresponsible compared to me. Heck, the reason why some of the vengeful people are so vengeful could even be due to their own responsibility and the fact that they don't want other people's garbage as well. Really, I would not judge people too harshly on how vengeful they are for multiple reasons, 1) I am a very vengeful person myself and perhaps one of the most vengeful I know 2) irresponsible people are the ones that tend to screw you over. they just do things for stupid reasons 3) you would want to trust and earn the trust of people who are vengeful simply for the fact that you don't want to be the object of their vengeance. I dunno, certainly Nietzsche is old, dead, famous, and smart and philosophical and all of that but that does not mean that all of his ideas are correct. Maybe if I knew the logic I would understand better but I don't.

I'd like to say kudos to Duncvis for producing an excellent site - http://www.duncsdrivel.biz - where I found all these damning, enlightening political articles I've been sharing with you all.

I felt I had to post them. So rare is the world of politics covered truthfully and so little are the important issues covered that they need attention drawing to them. I hope you can post more around here sometime, Dunc but as long as the incisive news articles appear I'm happy.

A vengeful person is by default, a less happy, contented and well-balanced person. That makes them potentially dangerous.

That may be true but there are many different problems, vengeful people are not the most dangerous people unless they also lack a sense of responsibility, control, or something along those lines. I find that irresponsible people are the people that are even more untrustworthy. After all, you simply don't want to anger a person who can be vengeful but irresponsible people harm everyone by nature. A vengeful person if they have a good level of self-control is not really much more dangerous to their allies then a more passive individual.

cheers...

not likely to be posting here in volume though, if I said what I really think too often I'd end up banned.

On this subject, my comments:

Forced labour is still forced labour, and is not the mark of a free society - just exploitation for the sake of profit.
I feel sorrier for the poor saps having their wages undercut courtesy of Her Majesty's Prison Service than for genuine criminals (i.e. muggers, rapists, money launderers, etc)
Its worth bearing in mind than a prisoner only becomes one at the behest of the justice system. So who decides who qualifies as a criminal in need of incarceration? You know the answer to that one.

Well, these people are still caged anyway. They have no freedom and that is their punishment. I see nothing bad with using this punishment for labor because nothing in a free society says that we should pay for the sins of others. Also, the labor done by these prisoners is only the type of labor done by Chinese people, it really does not seem like work that would hurt the working class too much. Besides, with the savings the corporations can try to expand which would create more jobs.

I do understand that there is a possible problem with the justice system profiting off of putting people in prison but if we isolate the people in the legal system from the benefits of imprisoning people then it might not be a problem. If there is no incentive to convict for the people actually deciding the fate of the accused then the corruption would be limited.

Unnacceptable for ANYONE, public OR private. And it hasnt changed. Just because it was accepted 400 or 500 years ago dosent mean it was acceptable.


Thats not a defence, since its unnacceptable in itself. ALL people deserve a second chance.


0.o How can I even bring myself to achnowledge that as coming from a civilised Human being?

Our laws are NOT the same as morality. And writing someone off for a breach in morality even would be dispicable. I have nothing else to say to you, you fascist pig.


See above.


Well THATS the problem, isnt it? Those taxes should be going into the welfare system, rather than rounding up anyone who disagrees with goverment acts.


And you have to ask yourself, WHY NOT?

Oh, thanks. I get to be a fascist pig. Bah! I don't care about your socialist sympathies, we need to do the most for the most. Prisoners have had a crack and life and they blew it, when they get out they get to have another crack at it. The thing to consider though is taxation. Taxes hurt the economy and hurt the wallets of every decent citizen. These prisoners are a burden on the system because they chose to act stupidly, I don't think that the many should pay for the crimes of the few simply because those few were the ones who did that. If you are a good and responsible citizen then you should be able to avoid prison, if you are not then don't expect my sympathies for breaking societies laws and expecting ME to pick up the damage.