The truth about 9/11

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I am sick and tired of people getting rich and famous over conspiracy theories of very important historical events. I do not subscribe to a conspiracy theory of history. History is much too complex for that. 9/11 is classic fodder for conspiracy theories--just like Pearl Harbor, the Kennedy Assassination, and other historical events. Let's stop looking for conspiracies and take history the way it is.

He detected it, but did not know what he detected. The operators, thought it may have been incoming bombers. As far as warnings go, it was more like, it was with 911, or the TItianic, too much traffic, they got lots of warnings.

If you get lots of warnings about a burgler coming to your house, are you gonna believe one out of hundreds or more?

Because Hindsight is 20-20, there will always be those that prepetuate conspiracy theroies.

Happeh, I am astounded that someone here actually voices that opinion. There is no use convincing the masses, however. They are set in their ways and will remain so until something shakes them out of their comfort zone.

"Israeli" is a 'polite' way of referring to the world masters when people don't want to refer to them as Jews. This is because even SAYING the word "jew", unless it is with praise, is a cause for concern and immediately branded "racism". Ah, that lovely keyword that always makes all the politically correct dogmatic sheeple turn their heads. Racism is the equivalent of evil, apparently. In fact, if you're white, being racist consists of merely wanting to associate with your own race and protect the genetic/cultural integrity of your own country. The term has come to symbolize angry rednecks burning a cross, nazi footsoildiers goose-stepping, and old people who "just haven't learned to be tolerant". Meanwhile, it's perfectly acceptable for all other races to associate and rally around their own genetic and cultural backgrounds. Apparently this double standard makes perfect sense to people somehow.

When people say something politically incorrect, the opponents to their stance issue "keywords" to try to confront and antagonize them. They say "racist", "homophobe", and "bigot". They don't explain why these things are to be considered bad or why this person should be shunned/punished, they just shout out the words and expect everyone around them to conform to this stance, or else they too may be labeled as one. It's peer pressure, conformity, and trendiness at it's worse. If something is immoral or unethical, explain why and then try and justify the double standards attatched to this argument. But they don't. They just insult and use keywords. Why? Because propaganda and word association by the media (largely held control of by the Jews) has programmed these keywords to trigger reactions in people's minds who are concerned about social opinion of them. They react as they do because the media has told them that if they want to be a good person, they should do so.

The reason why I explained the issue of "racism" before discussing the conspiracies surrounding 9/11 is because people earlier in the thread have used this as a method to try and discredit Happeh's stance. The Jews are not a peaceful, benevolent people. From day one they have considered themselves god's chosen people and sought conquest over the world. This conquest has been done through propaganda and trickery. They do not march armies on countries, they march armies of countries they control on other countries. The media, governments, and companies of nearly the entire world have to answer to them in one way or another. They have used the excuse of the "Holocaust" to incite guilt on the people of Europe (whom they hate the most) and put this guilt to use as leverage in labeling any questioning of their integrity as "racism", "anti-semitism", and "nazism". In many countries of Europe, it is even ILLEGAL to "deny" the holocaust occured. If it was such a solid argument for the event, then why incarcerate those who question it? Seems awfully Orwellian to me. This is also highly ironic, as forensic studies of the "gas chambers" in multiple concentration camps indicated that there was no evidence of chemical residue. The chemical that was claimed to have caused these deaths was Zyklon-B, a cleaning agent which WAS found in the detox chambers where patient's beds and clothes were gassed to kill lice. Now, just as a side note, if the Nazi's intended to kill all of the jews anyways, why try and rid them of lice? In addition to this were the playhouses and yes, swimming pools the inmates had access to. Look it up for yourself. David Cole did an espescially comprehensive investigation of this, which of course resulted in death threats from the Jewish Defense League.

Now, as for 9/11, the intended purpose of this was to motivate Americans to back a war against those countries who are antagonistic to Israel. Namely Iraq, Iran, and Syria. Why Afghanistan first then? It provided them with an easy first "victory" in the "war on terrorism" and also one of two key points to launch an assault against Iran from. The US is not capable of simply breezing through Iran as it did Afghanistand and Iraq, and so encircling it before attacking it provides them with a greater military advantage. These countries are all known enemies of Israel, whom the Jews consider to belong to them by birthright, and as such, must be defeated, pacified, and brought under the wing of the Jewish/Neo-con empire.

There are numerous stories of "strange" incidents occuring prior and on 9/11 that would raise some eyebrows. One specific instance of this being the report of a housewife who noticed a group of men outside a parked van watching the first tower explode. They began to cheer and one of them said "Now they know how it feels". From what I have read, this van belonged to a "cleaning company" which was a cover operation for Mossad (Israeli assassination/intelligence department).

After 9/11 occured, the drumbeats for war began and Americans were bloodthirsty and ready for revenge. Admit it, most Americans didn't care if we were 100% certain on going after who really did it, we just knew it was most likely Muslims and we wanted to go kill a bunch of them in retalliation. Thus, the justifcation for war was present.

Big corporations go hand in hand with the Neocon/Jewish agenda. They both care little for the average man and woman. Jews refer to Gentile males as "Goyim", which means "cattle", and women as "shiksa's" (sp?), meaning "unclean piece of meat". Big business just sees dollar figures above our heads, regardless of who we are.

So go ahead, label me what you want, use your insults and keywords to condemn me. But there it is. I explained my point of view and why I believe those things to be true. If you should like to disagree with me on those, I welcome the debate to continue, providing you remain calm and logical. Don't just issue a statement of condemnation, explain why you believe what you believe and how it is justified in this context. And mods, I am not trying to instigate a "race" issue here to antagonize people, but I think the background to the opinions I voiced were necessary to justify my stance. I would hope that you are understanding of this and can appreciate freedom of speech and the productivity of logical debate. If so, please respect the integrity of my post and allow it to remain intact.

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Happeh, as for the inflammatory response you posted concerning "the rantings of an aspie", I must admit that was heavy handed. I'm not certain why you'd be here if you, yourself did not have asperger's/autism or had a loved one who does (which might be even more reason to find the comment odd). Don't buy into the games of those with less reason/logic. Their primary tool in convincing others they are right is through insults. They don't debate, they argue.

While I can respect your right to respond accordingly, I think it was obviously antagonistic and damaged your stance because of how it was perceived by others and how that affects their impression of you as a person.

It's one of those truths you have to take with a grain of salt. We have a neurological dysfunction. We're self-centered, and we ramble on and on about topics that concern us. It's our fault, and it is obnoxious to NT's, this much is obvious. But it's a part of who we are and as far as I can tell, it's unchangeable.

I guess an apology would be appreciated if you should find it appropriate to do so.

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hey for the newfolks that are just wondering onto this old thread, Happeh was banned for his imflamitory remarks and flaming and such (as I understood it).

Stop right there. Is this the study undertaken by the American guy who designs the execution equipment?

If so, you can disregard it completely. I saw the footage of him collecting samples from the chamber walls for later analysis. Instead of using special techniques to take a fine sample of the concretes surface, he was clumsily chipping away huge 1" fragments with a friggin chisel! Using 1/2 kilo of cement as an analytic sample would probably guarantee to dilute any gaseous surface residue to undetectable levels. He was completely unqualified & inexperienced, clearly did not know what he was doing and shouldnt have been there.

There seems to be a conspiratorial elite, or rather network of secret societies sometimes known as the illuminati, which can be traced back to the ancient babylonian empire.

Over the years this bloodline spread and became the aristocracy of the roman empire, then later on Europe and its various colonies. As the monarchies were eventually disbanded and colonies granted independance, the networks remained in place, pushing its initiates into positions of power and influenze - on BOTH sides of the so-called democratic political 'spectrum'. Apparantly if you trace the geneology of US presidents, something like 3/4 can be traced to the same 2 members of the european aristocracy. (Charlemaigne (sp?) of france and one of the english kings)

Modern branches of this network include the infamous freemasons and lesser known 'skull & bones', whose meeting place is the funny square builing next to Yale university. The Bush dynasty are S&B initiates.
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You see, ive read a little about the illuminati, im very open to new (old) ideas but i just dont see where this jewish thing is coming from? It sounds like your being played - divide and rule tactics. Someones taken elements of the truth and blamed it on a minority group to neutralize dissent.

In any case, even if the ancient babylonians did have Jewish bloodlines which have since been preserved and exported into positions of power, that isnt an agument against all jews per se. imo the overwhelming majority of jewish people would be horrified at such a legacy of deciet and would want no part of it.

I would ask you to keep in mind that the Jewish community defines itself by blood, not creed. Many of my good friends growing up were Jewish, and my familiarity with their customs on a subjective basis is enough to gather that they value others as fellow jews if they are genetically descended from Jewish parents. Their religious beliefs are much less important, as many are athiests, yet still are considered a part of the Jewish community. I used to ask many questions regarding the community itself to friends who were Jewish, and one in particular was if non-genetic or crypto jews are ever fully accepted into the Jewish community. The answer I recieved was a unanimous "no".

Considering the previous paragraph's context, if I were to say that all "Jews" were in on some world domination crusade, it'd be a ridiculous statement. I do not believe that all religious, or common genetic Jews are included in some evil plot. I believe there is a core group of people of solid Jewish blood who have the interests of the Jewish people in mind and have the majority of the world under their control in terms of financial and political power. Take for instance Soros and his funding of the "color revolutions" in Eastern Europe. These are very anti-traditional, pro-American (neo-con) movements and Soros has his hand being being played in all of it. This is only an exceptional case because the puppeteer is known to the public.

And so yes, 9/11 is not beyond their ability or morality (or lack thereof), in my opinion. I think it was a dirty setup, I think the Zionists/Neo-cons were behind it, and I think all the right people in the USA government were informed and complicit.

As for the Holocaust issue, please take a look at a few of the leading revisionist's works as they have outlined their reasons for disbelief in the Holocaust dogma in a much better format than I. Such mentionable people are Ernst Zundel, David Irving, and Germar Rudolph. If you inspect the current whereabouts of these people, you will notice that they are all in jail, convicted or awaiting conviction on the charges of Holocaust Denial, one of many Orwellian thought/expression crime laws currently in place in Europe to try and curb any sense of nationalism or racialism.

These laws are in place because the Jews are afraid of the possible repercusions that would occur should the people of Europe discover they have been lied to and tricked many times. This would of course upset the intentions of the Jews who seek to flood Europe with immigrants, support abortion and interracial mating, all in the hopes that people of northern indo-aryan descent are wiped clean from the face of this earth. Why, you ask? Because they are the only people who have the combination of intelligence to (at times) see through the Jew's lies and deceit, and muster the bravery to rise against them. The Jews hope to, in the future, rule over a cultureless, raceless, mass of dumbed down, drugged up humans who can do their work for them. Pure blooded whites are not a part of this picture, and form the greatest obstacle towards reaching this objective, so they seek to eliminate them over time.

I think too many people have been paying too much attention to Coast To Coast with George Noory

I think Saturnine is probably Happeh.

I also think - nay, know - that it's useless to debate with anti-Semitists. Since anti-Semitic beliefs are based in non-reality, all anti-Semitic positions are based in non-reality as well.

No, I am not Heppah.

And secondly, what makes an "anti-semite"? Why are they anti-semitic? Why is this "bad"? And why is it not rooted in reality?

I don't hate Jews, but I see it as a rather obvious truth, after actually looking into the issue, that they have far too much power for such a small group of people and they abuse that power to further an agenda which benefits them. And this is not "white supremacist" talk, I think their agenda seeks to ultimately undermine the cultural and racial solidarity of all peoples but their own. And for all their boasting of civil rights advocacy and how they helped blacks achieve equality, look at the one case of the only legal racial/religious segregated country in the world: Israel.

I believe in diversity, and I value diversity. I believe in a world where all people of all races have their own home, their own governments, and the right to pursue their own destiny as a people. I think the Jews seek to break down cultures/races and force them all together into a cultureless, raceless mass to serve them.

And just as I stated, you don't debate, you use keywords. "Anti-semite", you say, like you're calling it out like a flag for all to see and know how to react properly. Get over it, come up with a real stance based on logic. Your blanket statement using keywords only goes to show you have nothing to back your very predictable words up.

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How is Israel racially and religiously segregated? Non-Jews in Israel (who are mainly Arab Muslims) have full civil and political rights.
Did you know that Israel has not even made Judaism its official religion?

Non-Jewish foreigners can become citizens of Israel. It's just that Jews are granted citizenship automatically.
So what?

If you're looking for a religiously segregated country, try Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia forbids non-Muslims from becoming citizens. The cities of Mecca and Medina bar non-Muslims from even entering. There is no freedom of religion in Saudi Arabia. Public practice of any religion other than Islam is banned. There are no Christian churches, and it is forbidden to even take a Bible into the country.
Jews are barred from even applying for visas to work in Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia also explicitly forbids Palestinians from attaining citizenship. Why? Because they have a religious and political interest in keeping the Israeli-Palestinian conflict from ever being resolved.

And yet Saturnine focuses solely on Israel ...

I actually agree that there has been (and still is) a concerted effort on behalf of many people to abolish European people's national identities and turn Europe into a multicultural sewer. But I don't believe it's some Jewish master-plan.
I genuinely believe it's happening though, and I don't know what the perpetrators hope to gain from it.
The European Union, for example, is the latest in a line of "big ideas" to come out of Europe, following on from Nazism and Communism.

In Britain you're likely to get called a racist for displaying a British flag outside your house, while people are bending over backwards to appease the Islamofascists in their midsts.

Why are the Jews always the scapegoats? No offence to the Jews, but I seriously doubt that they are at the head of a masterplan to dominate or distroy anything world wide.