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05 Aug 2009, 3:30 am

As late as the 1970s I learned to read and write just fine. So, apparently, did the majority of my classmates.

On august 16th 2009 a special event happens. Squeaky Fromme probably will be paroled from Jail.

Who the hell is Squeaky Fromme?

Shes one of Charles Mansons followers. She tried to assassinate former president Gerald Ford in 1975.

Now here is the kicker. This whole riot postulate sounds a heck of a lot like Charles Mansons nonsense. In Mansons eyes, it was going to be the blacks rising up and killing whites. The manson killings were intended to show the blacks how to do it. Or frame them. Or something. Manson is a nutball. Still waiting 40 years later Charles.

Anyway, I think its interesting that every so often, every few decades, the notion reappears. Obviously real society wide riots and killings happen. The French revolution is a good example.

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05 Aug 2009, 8:28 am

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I went through the completely public school system in New York City in the 1930's. We all learned to read with no problems. Class sizes ranged from about 30 to 40 pupils. We grew up to be competent in all our professions. No problems.

I went to P.S. 75 in the Bronx. You are talking about a by-gone era. It has been down hill into the crapper since WW2. It one time the public school system served the useful function of Americanizing the sons and daughters of immigrants. Those days are long gone.

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06 Aug 2009, 1:08 am

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Since private schools can be selective in accepting students it is not possible to make easy comparisons between accomplishments. The function of general public institutions is to provide what may be termed a social ecology and in education this ecology which must see to the maximum benefit of the individual in regard to the utilization of personal capabilities for both personal and social development in the sense of establishment a public responsive to both politics and business requirements. General surveys have not indicated a large difference between private and public instruction. If private instruction does not come up to snuff commercial competition theoretically should bring them into line. Ever since the Reagan administration a good deal of the public has become disenchanted with government by the propaganda against public institutions with small consideration of the corruption, inefficiencies, and downright thievery inherent in a good deal of private operations. This propaganda is, of course, heavily financed by the private sector which has a handle of a good deal on the media which dispenses it. If the public educational institutions were successful at one time there is no sensible reason they could not do so again with proper public support through financing proper infrastructure and wage compensation for teachers who, in general, are drastically underpaid and overworked and socially disrespected.

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06 Aug 2009, 6:27 am

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If the public educational institutions were successful at one time there is no sensible reason they could not do so again with proper public support through financing proper infrastructure and wage compensation for teachers who, in general, are drastically underpaid and overworked and socially disrespected.

Sadly, none of that is the problem.

Politics and political agendas run the public school system. Before the decline, schools answered to the LOCAL school board who set educational standards and were directly elected (and answerable) to the parents of the students.

Now, even the state governments have no say. It's FEDERAL, FEDERAL, FEDERAL. You can vote the bums off the local school board, but the new members will have their hands tied with the federal regulations...changing nothing.

Getting education out of government's hands and putting it back under local control will solve most of this problem. Let the teachers actually teach the kids...not brainwash them with politicized social conditioning programs.

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06 Aug 2009, 1:43 pm

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That is bull-shhhh!

My dad, who is younger than you, went to school in a one room school house. He finished school in a newly built high school in the 60s. He is articulate and has no educational deficiencies, nor do his siblings that experienced the same. Dad would make an excellent teacher.

Under funded? Yes. The 'school' was a shack assembled by local homesteaders. The teacher worked for room and board + a pittance from the school board. Any special treats were gifts of local farmers or were purchased with additional work for a farmer.

There was nothing special about their community. That was common all over my province as it was still being settled in the 1950s. Farm land was still being broken.

So yes. Under funded, under compensated, over worked(20+ kids spread over 12 grades). Socially respect? Yeah, that the teachers did have.

My dad spent the first few years of his life in a sod house, followed by a 2 bedroom log cabin with 7 other kids and grandma and grandpa. Four more kids followed but they had a proper house by then.

Whatever the reason for the success of the public schools prior to the... sixties? was other than money.

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06 Aug 2009, 2:17 pm

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I don't think we have an argument. I have no doubt better infrastructure, supplies, better paid teachers would help. Certainly less of these would not be helpful. But if you could supply more ideas as to what is really wrong I would appreciate knowing.

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08 Aug 2009, 12:07 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW-jbpp0 ... own%20hall

When the riots begin ... well there starting to brew now.
All thats left is for them to spill over into the streets and grow. Then mass violence will happen.

The anger is there , the lack of acknowledgment of there voices is there, now all that left is a trigger and this will all erupt.

I don't know when but look around you.. It wont be long.
All I can say is I'm gonna hide . :pale:

Oh and btw the crowd was saying"hear our voice" and "you work for us".

Scary times we live in.......

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08 Aug 2009, 1:05 pm

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I don't think we have an argument. I have no doubt better infrastructure, supplies, better paid teachers would help. Certainly less of these would not be helpful.

Agreed.

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But if you could supply more ideas as to what is really wrong I would appreciate knowing.

I wish I could. But I wasnt alive. It would be pure supposition and guess work on my part. If you dont know, and I dont know, and the kids dont know.. it must be something that has escaped social notice?

Something was lost along the way. Thats all I know.

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08 Aug 2009, 1:15 pm

Fuzzy wrote:

Sand wrote:

I don't think we have an argument. I have no doubt better infrastructure, supplies, better paid teachers would help. Certainly less of these would not be helpful.

Agreed.

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But if you could supply more ideas as to what is really wrong I would appreciate knowing.

The only thing that comes to mind was hope and respect. We had some confidence that by working within the system we could gain those satisfactions that make life worthwhile and would give us a handle on the future. There was plenty of corruption in those days too but there was optimism. The world since seems to have gone to hell in so many ways as to make the future look entirely grim and those in power are completely untrustworthy.

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08 Aug 2009, 3:42 pm

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Yes, that sounds reasonable. I went for a drive and thought about it too. What my ancestors and parents had was a hunger for an improvement to their lives and life style.

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10 Aug 2009, 1:15 am

very very revealing posts

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10 Aug 2009, 1:47 am

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very very revealing posts

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10 Aug 2009, 9:30 am

Is it in your interest that unemployment benefits might be extended by another 13 weeks? Lawrence Summers raised the issue a little while back and Congress is set to debate this motion in the new session. The argument for extending unemployment benefits is that this lifeline must not be cut before the stimulus creates the jobs that are needed. Those in power believe that unemployed Americans must be taken care of regardless of whether they are willfully opting out of work or not. Apparently the credit crisis is so bad that there are no jobs available. The truth is that jobs are available but they do not pay the sort of wages that Americans demand and thus Mexicans come in to fill the void. If unemployment benefits are extended, it will simply create disincentives for people to seek employment while creating space for the much detested Mexicans to entrench themselves further into the economy. Now do you see why there are so many Mexicans in America?

Giving people money will save them from the disgrace of washing dishes, hauling trash or gutting chicken, but if Americans become unwilling to adjust to new economic realities, then extending unemployment benefits on and on will only create a society that is simply incapable of facing up to the truth. An acute crisis will turn into a chronic disease that will eventually eat away at the very fiber of Americana. A society that was built on work will become one that is defined by entitlement. How long can it last? That grand patrimony has already been so wrecked that the most senior American cabinet officials are reduced to listening to harangues from unheard of Chinese apparatchiks in the ornate rooms of American state power.

Perhaps the catalyst for the riots will be when Congress finally says no to further extensions of benefits. If they do not extend it this time, people will be forced to take whatever job they can find. But if they open the spigot now and then refuse to do so later on, the populace will become enraged. The downfall of the American republic would then have been inspired by the very government elected to protect it.

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10 Aug 2009, 9:34 am

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Is it in your interest that unemployment benefits might be extended by another 13 weeks? Lawrence Summers raised the issue a little while back and Congress is set to debate this motion in the new session. The argument for extending unemployment benefits is that this lifeline must not be cut before the stimulus creates the jobs that are needed. Those in power believe that unemployed Americans must be taken care of regardless of whether they are willfully opting out of work or not. Apparently the credit crisis is so bad that there are no jobs available. The truth is that jobs are available but they do not pay the sort of wages that Americans demand and thus Mexicans come in to fill the void. If unemployment benefits are extended, it will simply create disincentives for people to seek employment while creating space for the much detested Mexicans to entrench themselves further into the economy. Now do you see why there are so many Mexicans in America?

Giving people money will save them from the disgrace of washing dishes, hauling trash or gutting chicken, but if Americans become unwilling to adjust to new economic realities, then extending unemployment benefits on and on will only create a society that is simply unwilling to face up to the truth. An acute crisis will turn into a chronic disease that will eventually eat away at the very fiber of Americana. A society that was built on work will become one that is defined by entitlement. How long can it last? That grand patrimony has already been so wrecked that the most senior American cabinet officials are reduced to listening to harangues from unheard of Chinese apparatchiks in the ornate rooms of American state power.

Perhaps the catalyst for the riots will be when Congress finally says no to further extensions of benefits. If they do not extend it this time, people will be forced to take whatever job they can find. But if they open the spigot now and then refuse to do so later on, the populace will become enraged. The downfall of the American republic would have inspired by the very government elected to protect it.

There are tent cities arising all over the USA full of lazy people. I take it you have connections with tent manufacturers.

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06 Dec 2009, 9:49 am

They extended unemployment benefits but Obama is making it clear that he will not support another costly extension. Barrack hosts a show he calls a job summit and then two days later the Bureau of Labor Statistics tells us that unemployment has fallen by 0.2%. If that is not a miracle, what is? The clock is ticking folks. Sometime early next year a lot of people are going to wake up and realize that Uncle Sam will no longer be sending them $400 weekly checks. The despair and the rage will be epic. The bad news is, the rampage that follows will only be the beginning.

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06 Dec 2009, 10:03 am

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Or in all likelihood this recession will pass just as all the recessions before it have.

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