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25 Mar 2008, 7:03 pm

So, you cry, b***h and moan about an unborn life being lost. And it's not even in the circumstance where you would be justified in doing so, for example a miscarriage or such. You're putting words into the mouths of something which has yet to form a single opinion, and only for your own feeling of self-righteousness.

That fetus hasn't lived yet, hasn't opened Pandora's box and experienced all the s**t that comes from it. Who are you to give any opinion in it's defense? I've been saying, "I think, therefore, I am" for a reason. It's not like that child will be born into some garden of f*****g eden, it's not like that child will even be born into a life of mediocrity.

It has no will of it's own, IT'S NOT ALIVE. Boo-effing-hoo, to the ones that were declined such a life, as if it were great, because it's not. Life is hard, very hard, so don't jump on your high horse and simply claim they all should live, for maybe in the end if they could remember where they were, they'd scoff at the idea of life on earth.

There is no answer to this subject, it's ret*d to think you'd have one. A fetus hasn't lived yet, so it cannot die. Abortion is akin to condoms and birth control, preventing a life before it has started. And life is not just mere physical form, it is thought, it is emotion, it is feeling.

God, please, take up some other interest. You cannot win here, I cannot win here, just leave it alone. It is up to the parents and the parents alone, to decide what is right for their unborn.


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25 Mar 2008, 7:06 pm

I'm a mass-murderer - I kill billions of sperm every day.



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25 Mar 2008, 7:06 pm

This is not a good topic, on this forum, it looks like JakeWilson, is just trolling for people who don't share his views, there is always going to a huge amount of disagreement from both side of this issue, and a couple of young christian, and most likely virgin men, who have never been with a women, have absolutely no authority on this subject. It a womens choice, get over it,



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29 Nov 2009, 4:44 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Anti-Death!! !


isnt it amazing that nearly all anti death people are the ones who cant have kids lol if you cant have kids i dont think you will ever have a valid opinion in this matter i think its the poor women who have to carry them an sacrifice their lives who should have the vote on this need there be one :roll:



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29 Nov 2009, 5:09 pm

Kaizer wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Anti-Death!! !


isnt it amazing that nearly all anti death people are the ones who cant have kids lol if you cant have kids i dont think you ...........

I don't know about that, but there are some "anti-death" or pro-life people that have been pro-war and pro-torture, which seems very very odd and contradictory to some, the ones who would be pro-choice, anti-war and anti-tortute.

Anyway, iamnotaparakeet is right, people shouldn't have sex.

However....
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Don't have sex if you don't want children.

I can safely asume you mean consensual sex, but an important issue to take into account are the cases in which sex has not been consensual.


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29 Nov 2009, 6:40 pm

People in this thread wrote:
About subconsciously projecting their feelings onto zygotes.



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29 Nov 2009, 6:46 pm

Pro-choice, but not comfortable with some late term procedures. Until the fetus is able to survive outside the womb, it does not qualify as 'life' to me.


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29 Nov 2009, 9:59 pm

Pro-Life... Blah blah blah
Pro-Choice... Blah blah blah

I find it telling that neither side uses the word abortion when describing themselfs. Why is that?

Personally I don't have a clue when life stops or starts. I have a few personal issues with abortion however which invalidates my oppionion. I'd just love to see people say Pro or Anti Abortion, (and I kinda like Retro-Abortion). Know that it's been around for a LONG time. What has happened is it's become relitively safe. (for the mother anyhow)



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29 Nov 2009, 10:25 pm

Fair enough as an opinion, but those don't really fit my beliefs. I believe that it is up to the prospective parents to decide, not a church, not the government, and certainly not me. In my eyes, attempting to preach abstinence is a fool's errand - some will listen, but most will continue to experiment as they mature and develop. Would I prefer the use of birth control over abortion? Sure, but it isn't 100% effective. So I am in favor of people having the option to abort if that is their desire, thus... pro-choice.


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30 Nov 2009, 12:44 am

I am actually pro-choice, but I do not like abortion itself. I simply think that women should have the option of abortion, you can be pro-life all you want and support fetal rights all you want, but the concept (of fetal rights) seems too broad to me. There have been cases of court-ordered caesarean sections (in one case, a woman was critically ill and objected to a caesarean because she knew it was not likely that she would survive, but an emergency hearing was held to determine the fetus' rights and the order was granted. After it was done, the baby only lived for two hours, and the Mother died 2 days later, with the c-section listed as a factor in her death.), blood tranfusions, detention of pregnant women specifically because they wanted to give birth at home, etc. etc. etc. So, if fetuses are granted full rights under the law, will it really mean they have the same rights as the mother-to-be, or will they have rights that are superior to hers? Women do not give up their right to bodily autonomy or to make their own decisions about what medical treatments they do and do not get when they become pregnant, if they did under fetal rights laws, it would undermine their legal status and send the message that women are only good for mothering. Which would you rather have, pregnant women's bodily integrity/informed consent rights violated, and the fetus' rights being more important than her rights or her being free to make her own decisions? Take your pick (sorry if I sound bitter).


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30 Nov 2009, 2:49 am

LiberalJustice wrote:
I am actually pro-choice, but I do not like abortion itself. I simply think that women should have the option of abortion, you can be pro-life all you want and support fetal rights all you want, but the concept (of fetal rights) seems too broad to me. There have been cases of court-ordered caesarean sections (in one case, a woman was critically ill and objected to a caesarean because she knew it was not likely that she would survive, but an emergency hearing was held to determine the fetus' rights and the order was granted. After it was done, the baby only lived for two hours, and the Mother died 2 days later, with the c-section listed as a factor in her death.), blood tranfusions, detention of pregnant women specifically because they wanted to give birth at home, etc. etc. etc. So, if fetuses are granted full rights under the law, will it really mean they have the same rights as the mother-to-be, or will they have rights that are superior to hers? Women do not give up their right to bodily autonomy or to make their own decisions about what medical treatments they do and do not get when they become pregnant, if they did under fetal rights laws, it would undermine their legal status and send the message that women are only good for mothering. Which would you rather have, pregnant women's bodily integrity/informed consent rights violated, or the fetus' rights being more important than her rights? Take your pick (sorry if I sound bitter).


I am near you position.

I would wish that women would not get pregnant unless they (and their mate) really wanted to have a child and I would wish that once a women has made a commitment to have the child, should should go through with it, her health and physical well being permitting.

Even so, the State has no business either mandating that a women become pregnant or mandating that a pregnant women bear the child or children inside her. That is her business and not the business of the State, Society or any church.

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30 Nov 2009, 5:58 am

To the creator of this post I too have a life obession but with an opposite ideology. I can think of a million of reasons why abortions shouldn't be a legal but a medical matter. Maybe the ambiguity of life is at fault for the absurdity of the obession. :lol:

I also don't think planned parenthood should get such a bad rap. There would be even more abortions in the US if they didn't exist considering they give out free condoms along with cheap birth control prescriptions.

Also for all the anti abortionists out their what is the logic of your position? If abortion was made illegal how would that change anything ? The only thing I could see happening is that poor women will be in even poorer health and rich women would have their abortions anyway.



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30 Nov 2009, 8:58 am

Abortion should be allowed and encouraged in the first 3 months of pregnancy and banned after that. 'Clinics' that would do genetic profiles before those 3 months should be banned.

Religion is very status quo.


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30 Nov 2009, 4:52 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
Abortion should be allowed and encouraged in the first 3 months of pregnancy and banned after that. 'Clinics' that would do genetic profiles before those 3 months should be banned.

Religion is very status quo.


What is inside a woman's body is her property and she should be able to dispose of it as she chooses, consistent with public hygiene.

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30 Nov 2009, 6:29 pm

Ok then, if you want to allow abortion at any time, just ban the genetic profiling doctors, or ban abortion after receiving the profiling result or something like that.


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30 Nov 2009, 7:25 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
Ok then, if you want to allow abortion at any time, just ban the genetic profiling doctors, or ban abortion after receiving the profiling result or something like that.


Why do you think it is a good idea to interfere with a woman's ownership of what is inside her body?

What is yours is yours, what is hers is hers.

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