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15 Feb 2010, 6:20 pm

Greshym_Shorkan wrote:

Neither has made sense to me, in the long run. Evolution makes somewhat more, but that's not to say that I don't see holes in it.

Than RESEARCH it!! ! Until you get to a better answer!

Why do we have to choose between two options that neither convinces us? If evolution makes more sense, but has holes - than research it!! ! Find the answer to those problems!! !
Science needs people who see the problems in current theories. Not to dismiss them, but to make them better.

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16 Feb 2010, 6:10 am

Omerik wrote:

Greshym_Shorkan wrote:

Neither has made sense to me, in the long run. Evolution makes somewhat more, but that's not to say that I don't see holes in it.

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16 Feb 2010, 6:42 am

Tensu wrote:

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Why mistrust a superbeing? If his goal was to annihilate you, he could do it anytime, anywhere, without needing to trick you into it.

Again you are trying to out think a superbeing. That's definitely a bad habit. Bernie Madoff was no superbeing but he gulled a lot of very bright people with the "trust me" gimmick. Don't fall for it. Neither you nor I have the faintest idea of what goes on in God's mind.

I am not trying to outthink a superbeing. You are. How can mistrusting God in any way protect you from him? And if you cannot protect yourself from him, what purpose does mistrust serve?

Mistrust is the basic attitude of anybody interested in discovering as much as possible. Any scientist that doesn't mistrust everything never learns anything new and interesting. It's time a curious fellow like yourself learned to really explore the world by using a sensible quantity if mistrust, People who trust without strong doubts and efforts to look behind everything most frequently run into terrible tragedies or villains that steal them blind.

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16 Feb 2010, 5:29 pm

there is a difference between mistrusting second-hand information, the results of an experiment, or a random person and mistrusting an omnipotent being.

You want to know what I like? exceptions. They are everywhere in nature. I would say God is the exception to "mistrust everything".

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20 Feb 2010, 1:26 pm

ruveyn wrote:

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So both Genisis AND Darwin are flawed.
The real age of the Earth is about- oh- two million years.

Potassium Argon testing indicates about 4.5 billion years. You really should learn some science instead of pulling these wild figures out of the nearest handy orifice of your body.

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Helllo.
That was exactly my point!
I was trying to show that the only way to prop up his shakey notion of some-but-not-too-much evolution was by dreaming up some imaginative scaffolding.
That scaffolding being an aribitrary date for the age of the planet that violates both Genisis AND potassium argon dating. The point being that he seems to be trying to have his cake and eat it too (be both scientific and be a biblical literalist) but succeeds in niether having nor eating his cake by simultaneously violating science and contradicting Genisis.

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20 Feb 2010, 7:51 pm

Greshym_Shorkan wrote:

Neither has made sense to me, in the long run. Evolution makes somewhat more, but that's not to say that I don't see holes in it.

What holes? What flaws to you find in the modern synthesis of Natural Selection with genetic inheritance?

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20 Feb 2010, 8:30 pm

Creationism is no more credible than any of the other creation myths it strives to replace such as Australian Aboriginal Dreamtime which their beliefs that the rivers were created by a great rainbow serpent. Evolution makes far more sense to me, especially with the compelling evidence with the Peppered Moth that had adapted for survival with the rise of the British Industrial Revolution.

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20 Feb 2010, 10:42 pm

This article would seem to have some relationship to the discussion.

http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/3325 ... -test-tube

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21 Feb 2010, 10:39 am

If creationism existed, then why are there dinosaur fossils? And why do humans share 98% of their DNA with humans? I've questioned creationism from a young age on. Some people believe creationism should be taught in schools. What happened to separation of church from state?

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21 Feb 2010, 12:20 pm

Tensu wrote:

It is my understanding that Genesis says that God created the universe in seven "Yoms", a Yiddish word generally translated to "day", but more accurately translates to "long period of time".

In addition, days are passing before God creates the sun and moon, and before even light and dark. and God at several points in the Bible suggests he keeps time differently than humans do.

You mean Hebrew!

Or Aramaic. Those were the languages the ancient Isrealites wrote in.

Not Yiddish.

Yiddish is a living dialect of German spoken by eastern European Jews which didnt exist until over a thousand years after the Bible was written.

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21 Feb 2010, 3:06 pm

TheOddGoat wrote:

Creationism and Evolution are not really in conflict.

I agree with this completely. Why can't God have created evolution?

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21 Feb 2010, 3:22 pm

RockDrummer616 wrote:

TheOddGoat wrote:

Creationism and Evolution are not really in conflict.

I agree with this completely. Why can't God have created evolution?

No reason. It's just redundant as an assumption.

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26 Feb 2010, 6:48 pm

wesmontfan wrote:

Tensu wrote:

My bad. I thought Yiddish and Hebrew where the same language for some reason.

Evolution explains neither the origin of life nor the origin of the universe. to say it makes more since than creationism is like saying you think electricity makes more sense than gravity and therefore gravity is wrong.

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26 Feb 2010, 7:01 pm

I believe in creation, and disbelieve in evolution.

The harmony, design and interdependence of everything makes so much sense as a creation and so much nonsense as something that inched its way to this form step by blind, random step. There is too much complex design for there not to have been a designer. The liver does hundreds of essential things to sustain life: what were we whilst it randomly amassed, organised, secreted and stored all the chemical pathways in the body? Why are apes still apes? They should have all evolved into humans by now! Why do we still have bacteria? They should have moved on to a higher life form!

I think we make better consumers if we have no religion and the theory of evolution is a weak and desperate lie to benefit capitalism.

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26 Feb 2010, 7:03 pm

Tensu wrote:

Sand wrote:

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Why mistrust a superbeing? If his goal was to annihilate you, he could do it anytime, anywhere, without needing to trick you into it.

I am not trying to outthink a superbeing. You are. How can mistrusting God in any way protect you from him? And if you cannot protect yourself from him, what purpose does mistrust serve?

He's afraid God might try to steal his rolex!

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26 Feb 2010, 8:32 pm

Biparyah wrote:

So..you're against religion, but you believe in a creator. Indeed you go so far as to oppose belief in evolution.. and you have anti-capitalist Marxist leanings (you know Karl Marx- the world's most famous atheist).

So- you are an atheist creationist! There was no creator, but the universe was created anyway!
Have I got it right?

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