So...who all is a Christian here?
I'm a liberal Episcopalian - wait - for an Episcopalian, I'm conservative. Conservatives would consider me liberal. I believe in the baptism in the Holy Spirit, the exercise of spiritual gifts, and I think Christians should stay out of politics - it's one of the most divisive developments in modern American church history. Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world." Paul said, "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." I believe the church needs to stop trying to wage spiritual warfare with the arm of the flesh - a sure recipe for disaster. I believe the love and forgiveness of Christ, and a great spiritual awakening is what we really need in this country. I believe every Christian would benefit from praying for this. We need to once again take on a burden for the lost. We can't do that when we're so busy condemning homosexuality and those who seek abortion.
Okay, that's my pet doctrine.
I believe what Jesus said: "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, pray for those who despitefully use you, that you may be sons of your Father which is in Heaven." I think if we were doing more of this, and less condemning, we'd see true revival, but the church isn't taught these things so much these days. If we return to our first love, attend to the homeless, the poor, and the needy, which is our earthly charge from God Himself, and repent from forgetting that our own lives were purchased with the blood of Christ, we'll see a renewed and powerful church, ready once again to preach the Gospel of salvation.
I and my inner circle are Christian. I am, frankly, pretty much not a Christian HERE, though I am a Christian in the other fora. - in the Politics Philosopyt and Religion board if you raise a serious question regarding faith of any kind it gets landed on by buzzards pecking at its eyes. I only stopped in this time on a whim.
I guess by definition I'm a Christian. I usually don't refer to myself as that though, because it seems like people jump to conclusions and think you're a crazy conservative, a Bible thumper, or a hypocrite. When people ask if I'm a Christian I usually tell them I believe in God.
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I work in the creche at my church in NZ where there is a little girl who is Autistic, she is 4 and is pretty much non-verbal. Her parents are praying for her autism to go away and so far the effects of her autism are greatly reducing. Its amazing what prayer can do. I have Asperger Syndrome.
I met Tom Baker by the way, at a book signing in Liverpool. He tells me that he is a Christian also, though having been in a monastery, and part Jewish it's not something that he finds easy to fit into normal models... but he does believe that Jesus is Who He said He was.
That man (Tom Baker I mean) can TALK when he is in a good mood. He held forth like we were all his best buddies. He might even have converted a few people. I don't know... I do know a couple of atheists were dumbfounded by his views.
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I met Tom Baker by the way, at a book signing in Liverpool. He tells me that he is a Christian also, though having been in a monastery, and part Jewish it's not something that he finds easy to fit into normal models... but he does believe that Jesus is Who He said He was.
That man (Tom Baker I mean) can TALK when he is in a good mood. He held forth like we were all his best buddies. He might even have converted a few people. I don't know... I do know a couple of atheists were dumbfounded by his views.
That must have been cool. Still the best Doctor of all time in my book.
Most people wouldn't believe that someone is a Christian who thinks Joseph Smith is going to sit at the side of God the Father, and judge the living and the dead, and who also believes that Jesus Christ is the spiritual brother of the devil... not to mention believing that Black and White people are physical manifestations of different classes of angels. Or come to that believe that God the Father was once a human being, and he populated the earth by having lots of babies with his spirit wife... and that humans males can attain to godhood. Not meaning to be rude, just pointing out that calling satan's spirit brother Jesus doesn't make it the actual Jesus of the historical Christian church, or of the Bible.
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Agreed. Much of LDS doctrine is historically unsubstantiated and contradictory to the Christian Bible. It's amazing to me that Mormons also claim the KJV as holy, authoritative scripture when it does nothing to confirm some of the unique articles of faith within their religion.
I also fail to understand why it is the text of the Book of Mormon would have been hidden for so long had it been true. The OT has accumulated a few scribal errors because of the tradition of copying it over the millennia, yet the overall meaning of it remains intact. Why couldn't the book of Mormon have similarly been widely distributed at the time of its writing--that is, extending beyond the lifetime of Moroni? At least with OT, you had wide distribution of a sacred text that hardly deviated at all from one manuscript to the next. We can even compare the Masoretic Text with the Dead Sea Scrolls to get an idea of its accuracy. No other written book in ancient history has been so well regarded in terms of copying accuracy and number of surviving manuscripts.
The NT has entire collections of books being copied from the early AD 200s, representing one of the shortest times from the actual, recorded historical events to publication with hardly any copying errors worth mentioning.
My point is that if the Bible can be passed down throughout the millennia with little question of its reliability, clearly something God intended, why couldn't the Book of Mormon have had same treatment? Granted, the book is copied with 100% accuracy. But at what expense? That its words and wisdom are completely lost for several generations? If we are, as per the "Great Commission" to "go forth and tell," it makes no sense that an important religious text would have ever been covered up.
1. not only men can become gods
2. black and white people are not different classes of angels, black people were cursed with a dark skin (not that they are still cursed)
3. God was not a human on this earth but on another earth.
4. Also, it has been scientifically proven that every single human being is related. Which means that you (and I) are related (however distantly) to one another as well as every other person on the planet. Gandhi and Hitler were both related (most likely very distantly)
I also fail to understand why it is the text of the Book of Mormon would have been hidden for so long had it been true. The OT has accumulated a few scribal errors because of the tradition of copying it over the millennia, yet the overall meaning of it remains intact. Why couldn't the book of Mormon have similarly been widely distributed at the time of its writing--that is, extending beyond the lifetime of Moroni? At least with OT, you had wide distribution of a sacred text that hardly deviated at all from one manuscript to the next. We can even compare the Masoretic Text with the Dead Sea Scrolls to get an idea of its accuracy. No other written book in ancient history has been so well regarded in terms of copying accuracy and number of surviving manuscripts.
The NT has entire collections of books being copied from the early AD 200s, representing one of the shortest times from the actual, recorded historical events to publication with hardly any copying errors worth mentioning.
My point is that if the Bible can be passed down throughout the millennia with little question of its reliability, clearly something God intended, why couldn't the Book of Mormon have had same treatment? Granted, the book is copied with 100% accuracy. But at what expense? That its words and wisdom are completely lost for several generations? If we are, as per the "Great Commission" to "go forth and tell," it makes no sense that an important religious text would have ever been covered up.
The Book of Mormon was hidden until the time was ripe and the world was ready for it
And anyways, what about the Roman Catholic Church that is actually a polytheistic religion (you can pray to any number of saints in addition to God)?
