How can any aspie be socially conservative?

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I do not want to generalize, but it seems that aspies are more individualistic. Social/cultural conservatives, especially paleocons, value community traditions and ties that they think are "transcendent" even if this means having a static society with unyeilding hierarchies. Aspies might also value what social connections they have, but it seems as if social connectedness cannot be forced on them, for the same reason that they might find it hard to be interested in something unless they are intrinsically motivated by it. Likewise, aspies might prefer to be connected to the world of ideas than to groups of people and seem to find their purpose in life in whatever passions they have. Everything about social conservatism is enigmatic to me, whether it manifests as religious fundamentalism or as ethnic conflicts, where morality is defined as conformity to one's group, regardless of the conduct of its members. It appears that aspies are more affected by individual than collective memories and that their emotions are self constructed instead of based on cultural symbols. Most, nts and aspies alike, will have both collectively and individually based thought, but the most devout social/cultural conservatives are suspicious of the latter because any dissenting opinion, even if it is inconsequential, can lead to other thoughts with more impact.

If social conservatism becomes authoritarian, then aspies fit in even less than they would in a liberated society. Authoritarianism, in any ideology, rarely ends at controlling the public realm because authoritarians employ a slippery slope arguement when contending that any infraction of a social order, or even tacitly disagreeing, will lead to chaos. An nt can pretend to fit in if he/she does not, but nothing short of mind control would be able to force aspies into submission. Am I wrong in asserting that aspies prefer privacy? In the most culturally conservative areas, there is none of that, even if they are secular. Aspies, like nts, should try to blend in while in formal places, but everyone also needs time to escape those roles.

@ petitesouris

Conservatives are for individual liberty, that means Government has no business telling us what to eat, what opinions to have, etc.

The locations that you got that information from either are misinformed or they outright lied to you.

Word of advice: "Don't drink the Kool-aide."

@Inuyasha

Conservatism and the Repubican Party is not all white you know..., it's more on some tone of grey...

One of the reason for me being left wing is because liberals are more tolerant of being "different", contrary to conservatives who want everyone to fit on what is considered "normal" according to some called "natural oder". Individual liberty as more to do with liberty of opinion and way of life that free market.

petitesouris, your comments about what social conservatism is don't match up with what I think of as social conservatism at all. I think of social conservatism as things like:

- limited or no premarital sex
- opposition to abortion
- preference for abstention as a form of birth control
- fidelity in marriage

I would think that aspies would be more likely actually to practice fidelity in marriage, since we're more likely to take promises literally, and are more likely to limit our premarital sex, since we aren't good at the social games that lead up to premarital sex anyway. Once married, I don't see any reason to think aspies would prefer any particular form of birth control. Aspies might be less likely than average to oppose abortion, since we might be more willing to objectively weight the practical consequences of not having abortion available against the emotional reactions to fetuses as babies.

Overall I don't see any strong reason for aspies to fall on one side or the other with respect to social issues.

"One of the reason for me being left wing is because liberals are more tolerant of being "different", contrary to conservatives who want everyone to fit on what is considered "normal" according to some called "natural order". Individual liberty as more to do with liberty of opinion and way of life that free market."

Sorry, but this does NOT jibe with anything I have seen at any of several universities. The liberals [really a poor choice of name, because I have seen little liberality in practice] talk diversity, but it comes down to specific groups being licensed to differ in specific limited ways. The most tolerant man I have known would were he alive count as conservative. One of the least tolerant women I have known would count as liberal.

But it has little to do with political orientation. If - as happened - an environment such as the university is restructured so as to put liberals in charge, certain types of people who are designed to make and enforce rules and socialize in uniform behavior will turn out to be liberals and fill up the niches. If the environment shifts to conservative, people of the same type will manifest as conservatives.

Milovan Djilas [If I have the name right, I am bad at names], The New Class.

Bureaucrat types will fill up the bureaucrat slots, military and police types will migrate into army and police, journalists will match spin with the tenor of the times [Times?]. Independent scholars will lay low, keep their mouths shut, and try to work without the censor poking his nose in.

Easy. Although aspies are outcasts, we like order, including social order. An aspie social conservative would simply be an aspie who believes that the real problem with society is people who are not acting in a proper manner.

I've seen even worse where liberals will use government equipment to create fliers to promote a particular candidate. Happened at my University, specifically the political science department which should know better.


Furthermore, Liberals are not tolerant at all particularly of minorities when that individual doesn't agree with them. All I have to do is point out Juan Williams firing from NPR which is a perfect example of liberal bigotry.

I'm not socially conservative at all. I consider myself to be very socially liberal. I am pretty much against censorship in all forms (although I do agree that it might be appropriate in certain cases) and I would not try to silence people for espousing an opposing viewpoint.

i think aspies are more likely to be soically conservative becasue of their up-tight-ness and love of order and logic.

All it takes is a little bit of rope and probing for the true facade of "liberal tolerance" to be exposed for what it really is.

Too many sociology students are drinking the Kool-Aid................... (as it was said above.)

Liberal mouthpieces often demonstrate their true intolerance without hardly needing any prompting.

Well if you force tolerance of social liberalism you can't tolerate rigid strict religious people and vice versa. It is my opinion that you can't have both and need to comprise on one to give the other what they want. i think people want to fool themselves otherwise because life would be so much simpler. i wish it was not that way though but i dont see either side backing down.