If a girl is raped and pregnant, should she keep the baby?

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To throw it back in your face, I'm not running around having irresponsible sexual intercourse. I'm still a virgin and proud of that fact, sure a kid would be inconveinent for me right now cause I only have my part-time job, however I'm not running around trying to get women pregnent. If I got a woman pregnent I would take responsibility and help raise the kid.



I've already said I think life begins when brain activity starts, which is day 47-48 after conception. If you like I could move it to when the first heartbeat is detected which is even earlier.

Don't you just love it when the Religious Right says the are Pro-Life but want to deny pregnant women access to health care?

I'm not religous, and I wouldn't say I'm entirely anti-abortion. I believe abortion should only be used for actual life-or-death situations like if for example the baby was going to be born with some kind of terminal illness like muscular dystrophy that was going to kill it eventually, or another example would be if there was a good chance the birth could kill the mother due to complications. But sluts who use abortion several times a month as a form of birth control is something I am strongly against.

For the issue of rape that's kind of a difficult situation. I know how I would feel in that situation if I were a woman and I was the one who got raped and became pregnant, but I can't speak for every woman out there. I'm sure they would be completely justified in not wanting to have the baby, but I'm also sure there are really good women out there who would understand that it isn't the unborn baby's fault for what their evil father did and they would probably want the child to have a chance of a good life.

Maybe I think too maternally for a guy...

physical health is only one aspect

True, but I think it depends entirely on the situation and the individual. The one thing about abortion that gets under my skin is the fact that many MANY times, and I have seen it for myself, you have women who use it a lot as a form of birth control just so that they don't have to live with the consequences of a promiscuous lifestyle. My half-sibiling's stepmother had several abortions to hide the fact that she was cheating on her husband, and I knew a girl in high school who was giving tips to her friends about how to give yourself a home abortion so your parents won't find out you got knocked up. You can argue pro-life or pro-choice all you want, but you have to admit that kind of abuse of abortion is completely amoral.

But you are denying your responsibilities. If at least one woman read your posts about how IT IS OMG INFANTICIDE and wrong to abort and they made her change her mind, then there is at least one kid out there who would not exist if it wasn't for you and was put to adoption because that's what you suggested.

Accept your responsibilities. Your convenience does not triumph their right to live.



It seems you are strongly against an entirely imaginary threat. Contrary to what the misogynistic right spews daily, Abortion is not comfortable nor an 'easy' way out to pregnancy and there are no "sluts" getting abortion several times a month or even more than a year, at least not willfully.


Why is it so difficult? Is it too hard to give the woman right over her body? If she wants to keep the baby, she will keep the baby. I f she doesn't , then I think it is completely ridiculous of us to think that we can mandate her to have a rapist's baby.


Ergo there is no reason at all for you to oppose abortion on the 30-th day downwards, right?

(Note that the brain activity thing is a pseudo-science lemma that Inuyasha repeats ad nausseum. The fetus does not really have a barely working brain until the 20ish week and from then to an actual brain with human capabilities there is a huge path. Either way, most pro-choice proponents are ok if the constraint for legal abortion is 10 or 12 weeks. At the end, if the mom doesn't want a baby 10 weeks are enough time assuming she is not unhelped by religious pricks who misinform her about the time from pregnancy (As it provenly happens in the "pro-life" alternatives to PP).

I never said it was an easy process, but I know of two women who admitted to doing it for the wrong reasons: my sibilings's stepmother who cheated on her husband several times and a girl I knew in High School who was bragging about how she gave herself a home abortion so that her parents wouldn't find out she was having sex. So nice try, I know for a fact there are true sluts in real life who do it for all the wrong reasons.

Last edited by GreySun369 on 22 Aug 2011, 2:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Also for the record maybe I was exaggerating a bit, I don't really know how abortion works and maybe it is impossible to get it done several times in months. But what I said about those two women is true: my sibiling's stepmother did have more than one abortion because she got knocked up by cheating on her husband, and the girl I knew in high school actually gave herself an abortion (which is possible) because she didn't want her parents to find out, and was then explaining to her friends how to do it,

Just interested to see what the pro-lifers think of this quandary. It is possible that a woman having an abortion at one stage of her life, will then go onto have children that she wouldn't have had if she hadn't had the abortion to start with.

For example, a woman may abort a seriously disabled foetus and go on to have 2-3 other normal children, but if she had kept the disabled child, then the extra care it would require may mean she doesn't have the other children and these children never exist. Equally, if she is very young when she has an abortion, it can alter her life completely - allowing her to become educated etc. and have children later who otherwise would never have been born. I wonder how many people are out there that wouldn't exist if a previous pregnancy of their mother/grandmother HADN'T been aborted? I imagine quite a large number. In this way, when you are weighing up the worth of lives (pro-choice think the woman's life is more important than the foetus, pro-life think of them as equal), you also have to factor in these other lives that may be affected. One less child may also mean that pre-existing children get more/better care and end up themselves surviving better (true not likely in our society), reproducing more, and being less likely to be murderers, all which affects the overall number of people created/surviving.

There is fairly good evidence that the rise in abortions during the seventies led partially to the reduction in crime seen 20 years later in some parts of the US. The reason being that young, poor single mothers were choosing to abort pregnancies that they didn't have the resources to continue with. There is a strong correlation with being young, poor, single and uneducated and having children who turn to crime. In this way abortion may have kept the crime rates lower, including murder rates and prevented deaths of many people.

Actually, "scripture" doesn't say anything against abortion.

If a ewe is raped, should it keep the lamb?

ruveyn

I'm not sure. I didn't know that a ewe could go to an abortion clinic.

Must the risk be a lethal risk? There are extremely serious consequences of pregnancy that are not necessarily life-threatening with medical intervention.



I think we can all agree that a brain dead foetus (using some reasonable standard of determination) is a clear circumstance that allows for termination--so lets focus the controversy where it truly belongs, on the degree of acceptable risk to a pregnant woman.

I think that this presents us with a much clearer and more focussed framework for discussion.

Inuyasha's position is not (and never has been) no abortions ever. My position is not (and never has been) abortion on demand any time. It think that this is a positive step.

Only her life, Inuyasha?

You don't care if she ends up incontinent?

in the end the only one that can judge all the variables (not that they can but they come infinitely closer than anyone else) is the pregnant woman herself.
no disrespect to any profession but i would trust no one to know me like i do, they might make observations i havent or have that crucial piece that connects the puzzle but the only one holding all the pieces is the individual themselves.

You remember that rape is involved in the discussion right?