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02 Sep 2011, 10:53 pm

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I just don't really feel like learning anything about American history would be a good use of my time as I am too far removed. I'll just agree with you, who knows more than me, and move on.


Way to expand your horizons.


How much do you know about Australia, PNG and Indonesia?


I make a point to learn as much as possible about every country in the world. Australia is one of my favorites and Australian history is a topic I greatly enjoy. Since South Sudan is the newest country in the world I've been spending a lot of time reading into it in particular (at this time). No harm in learning new things just because they are about a place thousands of miles away. Thousands of miles are a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things and you can only gain from learning


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02 Sep 2011, 11:49 pm

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Since South Sudan is the newest country in the world I've been spending a lot of time reading into it in particular (at this time).


I find these charts amazing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_right ... _territory

It's funny how so many African countries have different laws concerning homosexuality on the basis of whether it's male or female and how South Africa is leaps ahead of the rest of the Continent.


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05 Sep 2011, 6:28 am

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I make a point to learn as much as possible about every country in the world. Australia is one of my favorites and Australian history is a topic I greatly enjoy. Since South Sudan is the newest country in the world I've been spending a lot of time reading into it in particular (at this time). No harm in learning new things just because they are about a place thousands of miles away. Thousands of miles are a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things and you can only gain from learning
We were talking about history, not current events. Yes off the top of my head south sudan is the newest and poorest nation in the world and the average wage is less than a dollar a day. I'm not ignorant. I just know that there is more history in the world than I will ever be able to know and I was just making a prioritization!


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05 Sep 2011, 12:07 pm

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It's funny how so many African countries have different laws concerning homosexuality on the basis of whether it's male or female and how South Africa is leaps ahead of the rest of the Continent.


Our "Conservatives" will tell us that this comes as a result of the Marxists-Leninists that make up the South African government, and that South Africa was a model of democracy when Apartheid was law.



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05 Sep 2011, 12:13 pm

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Wow. This has got to be one of the most absurd quotes ever. "Genocide" doesn't mean that the population can't rebound a hundred years later.


Genocide means the target population was wiped out. Otherwise it is only attempted genocide. It is one thing to try. It is another thing to succeed.

The elimination of the Tasmanian people was a successful genocide. Most genocides fail because until recently humans did not have sufficient technology to do a complete job.

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05 Sep 2011, 1:17 pm

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I make a point to learn as much as possible about every country in the world. Australia is one of my favorites and Australian history is a topic I greatly enjoy. Since South Sudan is the newest country in the world I've been spending a lot of time reading into it in particular (at this time). No harm in learning new things just because they are about a place thousands of miles away. Thousands of miles are a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things and you can only gain from learning
We were talking about history, not current events. Yes off the top of my head south sudan is the newest and poorest nation in the world and the average wage is less than a dollar a day. I'm not ignorant. I just know that there is more history in the world than I will ever be able to know and I was just making a prioritization!


I was talking about history too. What a strange and unnecessary evasion


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05 Sep 2011, 7:51 pm

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Wow. This has got to be one of the most absurd quotes ever. "Genocide" doesn't mean that the population can't rebound a hundred years later.


Genocide means the target population was wiped out. Otherwise it is only attempted genocide. It is one thing to try. It is another thing to succeed.

The elimination of the Tasmanian people was a successful genocide. Most genocides fail because until recently humans did not have sufficient technology to do a complete job.

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Yeah, if the continent is small enough there was probably genocide there of a kind. If germany was a continent and hitler wasn't so ambitious we wouldn't even know his name.


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06 Sep 2011, 12:16 am

From the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG) the legal definition of genocide is:

"...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

http://www.preventgenocide.org/law/conv ... ext.htm#II

From the times of Columbus, the population of native Indians was reduced by 95%. That unfortunately isn't attempted genocide, but a success.

http://www.operationmorningstar.org/gen ... ricans.htm
http://www.lcsc.edu/elmartin/historybeh ... delema.htm

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For over 10,000 years the native americans lived and died throughout the vast, rich continent of North America. The burgenoning United States balanced brute military force with one economic transaction after another, on one hand slaugthering entire tribes, on the other "buying" enourmous tracts of land for exploitation. With control over nearly all native american land, leaving only small plots for "reservations", the native american way of life was destroyed and the clear choice became: be assimilated into "modern" life, or rot in "irrelevance" on the reservation.

371 treaties were made by the US government with Native Americans. The United States govenment violated 370 of those treaties, to date. Over 250 years, 160 million Native Americans have been killed by the US government.



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06 Sep 2011, 6:31 am

Historically, frontier societies are not big on religion, as the people who head there are more often than not rootless young men eager to blow their money on the local vice industry (alcohol, gambling, prostitution, etc.), and very often may be running from the law. This lack of religiosity is often passed on to the children, particularly if the frontier society continues.

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06 Sep 2011, 6:35 am

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For over 10,000 years the native americans lived and died throughout the vast, rich continent of North America. The burgenoning United States balanced brute military force with one economic transaction after another, on one hand slaugthering entire tribes, on the other "buying" enourmous tracts of land for exploitation. With control over nearly all native american land, leaving only small plots for "reservations", the native american way of life was destroyed and the clear choice became: be assimilated into "modern" life, or rot in "irrelevance" on the reservation.

371 treaties were made by the US government with Native Americans. The United States govenment violated 370 of those treaties, to date. Over 250 years, 160 million Native Americans have been killed by the US government.


Until recent times there was never an accurate census of aboriginal people. I think the above "statistics" are bogus.

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06 Sep 2011, 12:25 pm

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For over 10,000 years the native americans lived and died throughout the vast, rich continent of North America. The burgenoning United States balanced brute military force with one economic transaction after another, on one hand slaugthering entire tribes, on the other "buying" enourmous tracts of land for exploitation. With control over nearly all native american land, leaving only small plots for "reservations", the native american way of life was destroyed and the clear choice became: be assimilated into "modern" life, or rot in "irrelevance" on the reservation.

371 treaties were made by the US government with Native Americans. The United States govenment violated 370 of those treaties, to date. Over 250 years, 160 million Native Americans have been killed by the US government.


Until recent times there was never an accurate census of aboriginal people. I think the above "statistics" are bogus.

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Well, that's just your opinion vs abundant data that can be found on the web.



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06 Sep 2011, 12:32 pm

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"Rice Christians" refers to the phenomena of impoverished individuals in China "converting" to Christianity in order to gain food (rice) that wasn't in great supply after the (Western induced, Christian missionary supported) Opium Wars.
So because Christians are making sure their fellow christians have enough to eat, and other people are pretending to be christian to get free food its the fault of the christians providing the food? Why don't they go get rice from the buddhist charities instead? oh yeah i forgot buddhists beleive that starving to death is punishment for a previous life and they deserve to die. Hmm, I don't know why people would be changing religion at all :roll:


I suggest that you learn a little history and see how pretentious and self-serving Christian "concern" for China was, particularly given the missionary support for the Opium Wars. You can start by watching 5 minutes of this lecture, I have it starting at just the right time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfIFU9AMukM#t=7m35s


Die-nasty topic

Now I understand a little more about China and its history. Thanks for the info. Excellent You Tube.


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