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JNathanK
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07 Oct 2011, 2:44 pm

Hell no. I've seen what hard drugs like coke, heroin, and meth, can do to people. It turns them into demons. The mistake people make with heroin is they think they can do it once and never try it again. It feels so f*****g good and the cravings feel so f*****g bad though that even if, intellectually, someone wants to leave it alone, they're compelled to run out and buy somemore of it and shoot it up.

You can make absolutist arguments about personal liberty, but I wouldn't wish a heroin, cocaine, or meth addiction on my worst enemy. I think they should stop treating addicts as criminals though. As long as they haven't done anything truly criminal, like kill someone or mug someone, they shouldn't be sent to jail. They should be given treatment instead.


Pot on the other hand, I think it should be legalized. If you want to quit pot, you can quit it no problems. You don't get any hangovers or vomit from it either, and its physically impossible to overdose on, unlike alcohol. It shouldn't even be in the same scheduling class as those other drugs.

Also, maybe if the CIA would stop trafficking drugs into the country, we could actually win the war on drugs.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oszATUJ4IRE[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXTZKlnL0U0[/youtube]

The truth of the matter is agencies like the DEA don't want the drugwar to end. They aren't working on ending the drug epidemic, because they'd be out of a job.

The private prison contractors don't want drugs off the street, because 25% of inmates are non-violent drug offenders.



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08 Oct 2011, 3:00 pm

This is by far the most thought-provoking documentary I have ever seen.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5am_VXd2ik[/youtube]

Fun fact: the only reason cocaine and marijuana became illegal was because of a race panic that happened in the early 20th century. Blacks were given cocaine because their employers believed it would make them work harder. But then they started saying that cocaine was causing black men to go around raping white women and killing white families, so they outlawed the drug. Later, they said the same thing about the mexicans which lead to marijuana being outlawed.



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08 Oct 2011, 5:42 pm

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You just made government larger

It is not like the war on drugs did not make government larger by itself anyway.


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There's a very simple solution; tax the drugs and use that money exclusively to deal with the issues they cause.

In short I think your position has affirmed this statement:
“For every complex problem,” H.L. Mencken once said, “there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.”

And for every correct simple solution there is a guy who abuses that quote instead of actually verifying whether the solution is correct or not.

JNathanK wrote:
Hell no. I've seen what hard drugs like coke, heroin, and meth, can do to people. It turns them into demons. The mistake people make with heroin is they think they can do it once and never try it again. It feels so f***ing good and the cravings feel so f***ing bad though that even if, intellectually, someone wants to leave it alone, they're compelled to run out and buy somemore of it and shoot it up.

You can make absolutist arguments about personal liberty, but I wouldn't wish a heroin, cocaine, or meth addiction on my worst enemy. I think they should stop treating addicts as criminals though. As long as they haven't done anything truly criminal, like kill someone or mug someone, they shouldn't be sent to jail. They should be given treatment instead.
It is not like the question of whether these drugs are bad for you or not is relevant to the legality discussion. Just saying this because making the drugs illegal does not seem to make a real effect on stopping people from consuming them and becoming addicted. If the making drugs illegal actually prevented addiction rather than just finance guerilla groups and corrupt governments in South America, then I would be all for making it illegal. Too bad things don't seem to work that way.


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08 Oct 2011, 6:23 pm

JNathanK wrote:
Hell no. I've seen what hard drugs like coke, heroin, and meth, can do to people. It turns them into demons. The mistake people make with heroin is they think they can do it once and never try it again. It feels so f***ing good and the cravings feel so f***ing bad though that even if, intellectually, someone wants to leave it alone, they're compelled to run out and buy somemore of it and shoot it up.


Whatever heroin is awesome I had to quit but not because of Addiction but for personal reasons.
If drugs make people do bad stuff just put them in gaol for the bad stuff they have done.
the same people will be behind bars right?


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