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11 Apr 2012, 12:04 pm

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Okay then, despite what economists (aside from the few nearly brain dead republican hirelings) have said about it ever since the ideas inception, it works? Let's see the evidence, chop chop.

Is a poor U.S. slob, on average, better off than a poor Haitian slob? Answer Yes. Chop Chop yourself.

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Yes. Now answer my question, are the American poor better off than European poor?

And where's that evidence? You do realise that what you have to find and show is that the majority of those making large amounts of money every year don't save it, right? Which is what is often called BS?

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11 Apr 2012, 12:04 pm

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Do yourself a favour and check the overall quality of life in the States versus Canada and some European countries. Unless something has quite strangely changed, you guys are behind.

Trickle down economics are a failure, and even trying to bring them up seriously will make any sane person laugh at you. You should understand that by now.

Since we no longer live in caves and even the poor get vaccinated it is clear that trickle down works. That is true even though the distribution of benefits is rather unfair. I would rather do less well than Canada in the U.S. than less well than Canada in Haiti or Somalia for instance.

Trickle down has always "worked". You are annoyed that it does work as well as your socialist fantasies lead you to expect.

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How the hell has it worked...yeah it works great if you're upper class or wealthy, and middle class though much of the middle class is going below that. How is that an effective system, a system that only works for part of the society is not what I see as effective.

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11 Apr 2012, 12:06 pm

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Okay then, despite what economists (aside from the few nearly brain dead republican hirelings) have said about it ever since the ideas inception, it works? Let's see the evidence, chop chop.

Is a poor U.S. slob, on average, better off than a poor Haitian slob? Answer Yes. Chop Chop yourself.

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At least the european poor have access to healthcare.

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11 Apr 2012, 12:06 pm

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Do yourself a favour and check the overall quality of life in the States versus Canada and some European countries. Unless something has quite strangely changed, you guys are behind.

So what? Canada is the "kinder, gentler America". A nation of happy folks who have added only a small fraction to human culture compared to the United States. Tell me, who got to the Moon. Eh? And what would Canada be without the economy (badly run as it is) of the United States? You guys would still be ice fishing.

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And if Canada stopped selling you oil you'd be screwed. Water too. And natural gas. All things we could easily sell elsewhere in the world.

But then I digress, I keep forgetting you one of AMURICAH HURHURFUREVER people.

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11 Apr 2012, 12:06 pm

Trickle down works well because the rich get richer.

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11 Apr 2012, 12:07 pm

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How the hell has it worked...yeah it works great if you're upper class or wealthy, and middle class though much of the middle class is going below that. How is that an effective system, a system that only works for part of the society is not what I see as effective.

Do you eat every day? Do you live under a roof? Do you have clothes on your back? Would you rather be where you are than in a refugee camp in Turkey? Would you rather live in Haitii or Africa?

Do tell us.

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11 Apr 2012, 12:08 pm

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Do you ever intend to make an actual argument or just play on peoples emotions?

Edit for typo.

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11 Apr 2012, 12:09 pm

I forgot praise the job creators! praise the job creators!

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11 Apr 2012, 12:10 pm

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No I do not eat every day, I more or less live under a roof but that is so long as people let me stay at their house, either family or friends I don't pay rent anywhere. Yes cheap clothes.......But what I am supposed to just ignore the issues that do exist, and the flaws of the system just because my basic needs are more or less met outside of any access to healthcare. Also where have I ever indicated I would rather be a refugee in Turkey...do tell. Also I would actually rather live in like Germany or maybe Sweden Haiti and Africa are a little foriegn for me to be honest.

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11 Apr 2012, 12:10 pm

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Do you ever intend to make an actual argument and just play on peoples emotions?

I am an Aspie. I do not understand or believe in emotions. I just ask questions.

And I will make a statement. I would rather be poor in the U.S. than poor in Haitii or Africa. Is that plain enough for you.

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11 Apr 2012, 12:11 pm

ruveyn wrote:

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Do you ever intend to make an actual argument and just play on peoples emotions?

Why do you assume if someone says they think the european poor are better off that indicates they think they feel the same about Haitii or Africa.?

Also that's no excuse, lots of aspies here understand and believe in emotions.

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11 Apr 2012, 12:12 pm

ruveyn wrote:

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Do you ever intend to make an actual argument and just play on peoples emotions?

I would rather live on the moon and eat pink cheese all day while spinning. I am able to live on the moon because if I decide that I don't need oxygen to breath than it is true

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11 Apr 2012, 12:13 pm

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Do you ever intend to make an actual argument and just play on peoples emotions?

That is an emotional argument. You are lying to yourself if you honestly believe your arguments should be taken as anything else.

Show us facts. Real facts. Show us how much money trickle down economics have put in to the economy and not saved in a bank. Show us what it's done instead of relying on a single argument that means exactly nothing.

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11 Apr 2012, 12:13 pm

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ruveyn wrote:

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Do you ever intend to make an actual argument and just play on peoples emotions?

They do? How about that?

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11 Apr 2012, 12:15 pm

How about a third option: Alleviating high costs of living by eliminating the cronyism rife within government? Get corporations out of bed with agencies like the FDA and EPA. That sort of thing.

Nah... "Haves versus have nots" arguments are so much more emotionally satisfying...

Forget I said anything. Carry on...

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11 Apr 2012, 12:16 pm

Europe's "high" quality of life is a myth and their economies are all collapsing. You'll be seeing a lot more of what you're seeing in Greece play out over that whole continent. America's finances aren't any better, we just allocate our monopoly money to other things.

Greece's elections next month should be a real hoot. They have been so robbed of their democracy that they'll go out and vote for hardline Stalinists, Trotskyites, and literal Nazis to save them. That's not even a joke, Golden Dawn is poised to enter parliament.

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