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MCalavera
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18 Jan 2013, 7:41 am

I'm guessing all of us here have held views we no longer accept as valid and I sure as hell have let go of a lot of views I once passionately espoused. I'm more interested in what views you guys have let go of only recently (as in a max of a year or two ago) and what your new views are in their stead.

In my case, I can think of several, but I think the biggest view I let go of was the view that God's existence was more likely than his lack of existence. When I first got here, I was sort of a mix between an agnostic and a deist. But now I can say with confidence that I'm a plain old atheist now and that God's existence is not as likely as what I once used to believe.

How about you?

PS: I would appreciate it if you could please keep this thread on topic. This thread isn't meant for debates.



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18 Jan 2013, 9:34 am

MCalavera wrote:
I'm guessing all of us here have held views we no longer accept as valid and I sure as hell have let go of a lot of views I once passionately espoused. I'm more interested in what views you guys have let go of only recently (as in a max of a year or two ago) and what your new views are in their stead.

In my case, I can think of several, but I think the biggest view I let go of was the view that God's existence was more likely than his lack of existence. When I first got here, I was sort of a mix between an agnostic and a deist. But now I can say with confidence that I'm a plain old atheist now and that God's existence is not as likely as what I once used to believe.

How about you?

PS: I would appreciate it if you could please keep this thread on topic. This thread isn't meant for debates.


I am no longer so sure that unfettered capitalism can work in the steady-state. Clearly centralized socialist planning is a failure as much of history shows. On the other hand it is not at all clear than unfettered capitalism is sustainable.

Perhaps there is a Third Way.

I have also come to believe that the wage for labor system cannot clear out the goods and services produced. So we either have a silly economic system, or there is something akin to the thermodynamic principle that some waste heat will happen whenever a system produces useful mechanical work. Or to put it another way, it is not clear that any economic system can work at 100 percent efficiency. So the question is: can we contrive an economic system in which the waste is of a manageable magnitude and consistent with our prosperity and freedom and also sustainable over the long haul.

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18 Jan 2013, 10:51 am

Recently? I do not know.

If you look at my old history and had such patience and interest in doing something as boring as that. You would notice some strange things.

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Just because something can't be disproved it doesn't mean it exists, and just because something can't be proved it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. So, let's just keep walking and let everyone believe in whatever they want.
This is utter BS. Ocam's razor god damnit stupid old Vexcalibur.

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Of course abortion is murder, nothing magical happens to a child when he comes out of *there*. Nope I seriously doubt a soul is suddenly assigned to a child at the moment he is born. Only some non-sense, non-science explanation like that would make the idea of legalizing murder before the creature is born yet not legalize it after real. BUt if that non-sense was true then us people with C-sections or those that were born premature would be considerable less human or non-humans whose killing shouldn't be punished and that is non-sense.

If you want to allow mothers to kill their child for convenience and to continue with their lives, ok. But allow it after the kid has been born as well. Else it is just a convenient double standard. Now, if you want to sound serious, abortion should be penalized after the kid's brain has been developed, for all what I know that embryo is a human being already, and people that tell me the mother's convenience is more important that the child's life are just bullshitting, if she didn't want to get the responsibility of pregnancy she should have killed the embryo before it became human. period.
This might be the dumbest thing I have ever said.

It is likely that a fetus becomes a person at some point in pregnancy before birth. But this only means that the best solution to the abortion issue is to encourage abortions to happen as quickly as possible.

The are various stages in pregnancy in which we can be pretty sure the unborn is not a person. Lack of an actual body of more than two cells. Lack of an actual brain. Lack of an actual working brain. Etc, etc etc.

Abortion law usually legalizes only abortions that happen earlier than some months value since pregnancy. Also, such late abortion is risky anyway. This is way early abortion should be encouraged.

But at the end of the day, this concern is not great in comparison to the concern of the freedom of the mother to decide what happens to her own body.


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20 Jan 2013, 7:55 am

I remember something now about once believing it was impossible for an Aspie to have Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Now I realize how farther from the truth I really was.

In fact, my first (and cringeworthy) thread in this forum was of me arguing for the view that it was impossible (as can be seen in the following link):

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt146094.html

Now I can see that it's easily possible. One can be socially inept and still perfectly and consistently fit the criteria for NPD.



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20 Jan 2013, 8:46 am

You have encountered this one from me in the past, the thought that all authority will always do the right thing.

I still have a thing for authority, but only if if said authority does what it is supposed to do.

Learning about OWS and seeing the politicians in DC for what they really are lead me to this conclusion. Also, the number of dirty cops out there makes me physically sick. The cops i'm used to would cringe at what some cops get away with today.


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20 Jan 2013, 11:31 am

PM wrote:
You have encountered this one from me in the past, the thought that all authority will always do the right thing.

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The lessons of history teach just the opposite. It says in Perke Avot (the 6 th book of the mishnah torah) Hate the powerful, and put not your trust in potentates and princes.

And Jews ought to know. In the time of Samuel the prophet the Israelites demanded a human king and they got their wish, much to their pain and regret.

Read first Samuel 8:11

Also read Aristitle's -Politics- which is a parallel companion piece to his -Nichomachaen Ethics-

Monarchies become tyrannies; demagogues give way to oligarchy and dictatorship. At best they who rule do no harm They rarely do good and often do evil.

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20 Jan 2013, 2:37 pm

I used to support drug prohibition, but now I'm convinced that it's a waste of public funds.



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22 Jan 2013, 1:08 pm

I once believed we would be better of with out government. thats an Anarchist right? Then i learned about an issue where the Canadian police have gone on strike. Clearly some people have no morals, i have lost faith in humanity as a whole.

Clearly we were ment to be ruled. No matter what, in human society someone will take control. To enforce no one has control requires control etc.

As for what mentioned about authority not being trustworthy. Thats why i support freedom of the press. Too bad some seem to waste it on celebritys


No doubt those views will, change again in a week.


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23 Jan 2013, 4:56 am

I've let go of...or more appropriately...rejected the idea that to lead a good or normal or successful life, a person must go to school, attend college for a degree, get a stable job, get married, and raise a family.
Unfortunately, I am unable to act 100% against this idea because the way things are, I'm afraid, will not change until more people realise it.
So I am stuck being forced to attend college for a degree and a pathway into a field that I am not entirely committed to because there are other things I want to do.
I have also rejected fame. Too many people nowadays want to be famous, and they crave attention whether they know it or not, or like it or not.
I have also rejected America because it's become a crapsaccharine country. Probably gonna move to England after college.


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23 Jan 2013, 5:28 am

I needed a tit to suck on
then I found wrong planet



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23 Jan 2013, 5:33 am

Nothing.

All my of what I know ends up in the same place each time I go over it.

It's been that way since the beginning (always a freedom loving atheist).