Do you believe in Zeitgeist

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?? He's right. Corporate tax cuts, wall street and bank bailouts.. and what do all the homeless people looking at the empty homes get? Nothing.
It is truly amazing how blind Americans are.

I love a good fight! * However, I'm on a 4 day weekend and so will lighten things up.My dad was born and raised in Canada. He loved telling this joke.How did Canada get its name?They put all the letters of the alphabet in a hat. The first letter drawn was an "C".Everyone said,"eh". Then an "N" was drawn. Everyone said,"eh". Then a "D" was drawn. Everyone said,"eh". LOL
* I will return to the fight on monday. I am relaxing with my wife (and yes drinking). All I have with me on this beach (New Bern, N.C) is this tablet so I cannot post links. I am looking forward to having you as an ally in the upcoming fight.

The real world is generally more complicated than any black and white image, not to say that US policy has tended to be the wisest at all. Nor to say that there aren't fools roaming around.

This isn't to attack Wittgenstein, as there are valid points in what he said about how inequality has risen and how many people see this as a distressing sign.

This may be more of an attack on you, uwmonkdm, and redriverronin, as wittgenstein's comment was not so absurd as to cause redriverronin justification, but the opposite of it isn't so obvious that it deserves uncritical assertion under the statement that Americans are just "sheeple".

Its not that people are like sheep but most people no matter how intelligent chose to lie to themselves rather than deal with the truth and iam not talking about crazy conspiracy theories. Iam just talking about every day things people lie to themselves all the time many people build their whole lives on almost nothing but lies. Its funny 1 out of ten people who build their lives on lies seem to be very successful that to me says people don't really care about lies as long as they are good lies that make their lives easier. Jaques Fresco points out the future is here now not later now yet we are lied to constantly about all of these monumental problems that really could be fixed easy. Because its all a big game for a bunch lying ignorant psychopaths we have to deal with a lot of BS that's how I see it. Don't really care what people who think that their is some magical group of people in the world who never do bad only good and they are in the form of a political ideology. You really need to think about some things when you start making isms into all powerful one size fits all solutions to the worlds problems. Especially when they have a very short list of people they care about the rest get thrown to the machine.

I agree with everything you just said.

The Zeitgeist Movement and the Venus Project parted ways a few years ago. IMO, they make some interesting suggestions, but I would not want to live in a technocracy. Machines cannot replace humanity.

The so-call Zeitgeist Movement is just warmed over collectivist dribble. And just who will "allocate" the resources? Hmmm???

ruveyn

I agree with what your saying my main focus is our level of technology and what we can utilize and how many major problems we have that should not be issues energy problems being at the very top of the list. The biggest problems we as humans face is sociological and psychological and people not being educated is the main cause of these problems. When we can work out our mental problems the other problems we have will not be an issue at all and we can finally move forward instead of backward like we are doing now.

True I just find a lot of what they talk about very useful when it comes to seeing BS for what it is people should be free to chose a way of life that makes them happy and fulfilled as long as it doesn't cause harm to other people. The Zeitgeist Movement seems to what to control every aspect of our life much like liberal ideologies and that is not my idea of a perfect world that is slavery.

If you want to live in a post-scarcity world, go ahead and learn how. Don't sit around waiting for it, go learn the skills that you'll need to make it a reality. Read up on farming, and figure out how you can further automate it. If you've got the money, get hold of a plot of land you can start experimenting with, and build your house on it. Look around and see if there are any courses you can take to learn how to make stuff in a machine shop (highly automated or not) and get hold of one. Take a course in programming, online if you have to, and ideally focusing on using something like the Arduino (for controlling all the stuff you're building, see). When you're ready, build solar thermal electric systems to provide you with clean water and energy.

All this would be a lot easier, of course, if you're doing it with other people. I suppose the resulting community would bear more than a passing resemblance to a kibbutz, with a co-operatively owned farm, machine shop/fab lab, and utilities infrastructure, but if set up right it shouldn't take up too much of your time, whilst providing you with free food, fibre, and fuel. As well as water, but that doesn't begin with an f. You can maintain your own vegetable garden and chickens, and maybe have a forest garden to provide fruit and nuts to everyone there. If the rabbits are bothering the trees, then that just means you get another source of protein...

Add in even more automation, and you could close the loop even further. Why not automanufacture a lot of household appliances - even if you have to put the final thing together, you still will be saving a lot of labour vs. working and buying them. 3D printing using clay isn't hard, and you can produce your plates and bowls that way. Or 3D print a mold for them. Or build a machine dedicated the the purpose of stamping them out. Whichever way, if you can do that then you can probably make a lot of the parts of a slow cooker. I don't know much about current CNC machines, but...

Unfortunately, I suspect that the government will throw a lot of obstacles in your way if you try to do them, such as making you spend thousands on getting a permit allowing you to consider building a house to some very strict requirements, banning you from drinking your water unless it has been approved by a government inspector who comes round every week and charges you for the privilege, tearing down your forest garden as a nuisance, removing your parabolic mirror array as a threat to public safety, and if all else fails, hiking tax on you to force you to get a job and putting you back where you started.

Now, I should probably get on with learning. If you're going to try this as well, good luck!

And global economic, political, and social disorganization. High-level political officials are panicking, which is the major reason for all the surveillance, etc.