05 Jul 2013, 12:37 am
AspE wrote:
I hypothesize that religiosity is related to socialization, after all the concept of a personified creator rather than an impersonal process could be driven by our instincts as social apes looking for a leader, and it's this social sense or expectation that is lacking or deficient in autistic people to varying degrees.
Interesting idea....
While I don't disagree with your hypothesis, I personally think it is our cognitive/more-conscious nature, that allows us to be more critical and objective than most NTs, which would produce a higher percentage of atheists in either group...
Also consider:
Contrary to mainstream popular belief (Shame on you Sheldon Lee Cooper
), I believe aspies are self concerned, rather than egocentric...
We tend not to be interested in social status competition, for example, and from my personal perspective, I am more interested in developing my objectivity than protecting a position incorporating the need for emotional superiority...
I have no interest in "one-upmanship" and view any self proclaimed aspie with suspicion who has...
As a result, I find it easy to accept my insignificance in this life system...
I believe this is a typical aspie trait...
Hence my belief that, for aspies, "rational atheism" is a more rational choice than theism...
I'll leave it there...
My dog is pushing me around because she wants to be fed...
06 Jul 2013, 10:39 am
I define myself as a protestant Christian. I grew up in a Christian home and that's where i received my values and beliefs. Religion has always been a critical part of my life because the only place I really socialize with people is at church, my entire moral system is based on Christianity, and some of my happiest moments have been religious ones. I do have a rational voice in my head that says it's all a lie, but it seems cold and unforgiving. It has only appeared recently and seems more concerned with throwing out my entire belief system thn actually helping me at all. Perhaps it's a demon. I've also recently come to the conclusion that nature is far too complicated to have been created by chance. I've known that for a while but only after walking around my back yard has it started to sink in. There was a vine on my back porch that was using little suction cups to attach to the wood and did you know that spider webs can electromagnetically pull insects toward them. 
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06 Jul 2013, 1:22 pm
Drone wrote:
I define myself as a protestant Christian. I grew up in a Christian home and that's where i received my values and beliefs. Religion has always been a critical part of my life because the only place I really socialize with people is at church, my entire moral system is based on Christianity, and some of my happiest moments have been religious ones. I do have a rational voice in my head that says it's all a lie, but it seems cold and unforgiving. It has only appeared recently and seems more concerned with throwing out my entire belief system thn actually helping me at all. Perhaps it's a demon. I've also recently come to the conclusion that nature is far too complicated to have been created by chance. I've known that for a while but only after walking around my back yard has it started to sink in. There was a vine on my back porch that was using little suction cups to attach to the wood and did you know that spider webs can electromagnetically pull insects toward them.
I was raised a Protestant (Lutheran), and still am a believer. I think it's safe to say, though, the voice you hear in your head isn't a demon, it's just you.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
06 Jul 2013, 2:34 pm
Drone wrote:
I define myself as a protestant Christian. I grew up in a Christian home and that's where i received my values and beliefs. Religion has always been a critical part of my life because the only place I really socialize with people is at church, my entire moral system is based on Christianity, and some of my happiest moments have been religious ones. I do have a rational voice in my head that says it's all a lie, but it seems cold and unforgiving. It has only appeared recently and seems more concerned with throwing out my entire belief system thn actually helping me at all. Perhaps it's a demon. I've also recently come to the conclusion that nature is far too complicated to have been created by chance. I've known that for a while but only after walking around my back yard has it started to sink in. There was a vine on my back porch that was using little suction cups to attach to the wood and did you know that spider webs can electromagnetically pull insects toward them.
Why is your whole moral system based on your religion. Don't you have the ability to think of some morals of your own like non religious people are capable of doing?
Good luck with the
demon 
by the way. The fact that religious people always put the blame an outside factor for their doubts and misgivings always fills me with amazement. Atheists and agnostics end up in a psychiatric hospital when they come up with stuff like that but religious people seem to get away with it. But hey, what else is new!
06 Jul 2013, 2:54 pm
pokerface wrote:
Drone wrote:
I define myself as a protestant Christian. I grew up in a Christian home and that's where i received my values and beliefs. Religion has always been a critical part of my life because the only place I really socialize with people is at church, my entire moral system is based on Christianity, and some of my happiest moments have been religious ones. I do have a rational voice in my head that says it's all a lie, but it seems cold and unforgiving. It has only appeared recently and seems more concerned with throwing out my entire belief system thn actually helping me at all. Perhaps it's a demon. I've also recently come to the conclusion that nature is far too complicated to have been created by chance. I've known that for a while but only after walking around my back yard has it started to sink in. There was a vine on my back porch that was using little suction cups to attach to the wood and did you know that spider webs can electromagnetically pull insects toward them.
Why is your whole moral system based on your religion. Don't you have the ability to think of some morals of your own like non religious people are capable of doing?
Good luck with the
demon by the way. The fact that religious people always put the blame an outside factor for their doubts and misgivings always fills me with amazement. Atheists and agnostics end up in a psychiatric hospital when they come up with stuff like that but religious people seem to get away with it. But hey, what else is new!It's always the mind that plays tricks on people. All the stuff we take in from other people and their opinions, whether they are lies or not helps form our own opinions. In essence, you could easily say that your mind is not just your greatest ally at times, but also your biggest enemy. Your mood often influences what you want your mind to tell you as well. My biggest problem growing up is being taught how to behave in order to be accepted by others and forgoing acceptance of ourselves. Even religion was guilty of preaching this.
06 Jul 2013, 4:56 pm
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06 Jul 2013, 7:23 pm
06 Jul 2013, 11:53 pm
Drone wrote:
I define myself as a protestant Christian. I grew up in a Christian home and that's where i received my values and beliefs. Religion has always been a critical part of my life because the only place I really socialize with people is at church, my entire moral system is based on Christianity, and some of my happiest moments have been religious ones. I do have a rational voice in my head that says it's all a lie, but it seems cold and unforgiving. It has only appeared recently and seems more concerned with throwing out my entire belief system thn actually helping me at all. Perhaps it's a demon. I've also recently come to the conclusion that nature is far too complicated to have been created by chance. I've known that for a while but only after walking around my back yard has it started to sink in. There was a vine on my back porch that was using little suction cups to attach to the wood and did you know that spider webs can electromagnetically pull insects toward them.
I'm a hard core atheist and I am never going back to theism (unless I do
)
But from where I sit, if you get so much out of your belief system, why change?
However, if you are more interested in the clinical, cold "truth", that is a different matter...
For me personally, religion wasn't working...
For me, breaking away from religious beliefs meant escaping from the abject/profound confusion and resultant misery...
It meant escaping from a deep dark pit of depression...
I had a good reason to seek enlightenment beyond religious and spiritual matters...
Do you?
From what you have written it doesn't seem so...
From a hard core atheist's point of view, ultimately it doesn't matter what your belief is, since there is only the here and now to consider.
What does it really matter in terms of the influence of one lone individual?
Once again, if it works for you extremely well, why change your beliefs?
Not everyone is "comfortable" living a harsh truth...
Regarding your spider web:
Do you mean "electromagnetically" or electrostatically?
07 Jul 2013, 12:11 am
07 Jul 2013, 12:18 am
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07 Jul 2013, 12:53 am
07 Jul 2013, 2:46 am
07 Jul 2013, 3:08 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Why F with some Aspie's head concerning the existence of God? And wouldn't the OP be aware of a device implanted in his head, and the proximity of the electrical equipment?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
You jumped to an incorrect conclusion...
I am not suggesting anyone has implants...
Subliminal hypnotic suggestion, as an example, doesn't need it...
I am merely pointing out, via the Delgado experiments, how the mind can be manipulated.
The Delgado experiments were done many decades ago...
There is nothing inviolable when it comes to sociopathic intention...
Interestingly some, if not many, in the religious community are aware of the abuse of hypnotic susceptibility...
Brainwaves can be interpreted/deciphered...
There are even gaming devices using this method to interface with computers...
http://www.news.com.au/technology/gamin ... 6658167678
And this sort of technology can/does help quadriplegics and even those who are totally paralyzed and/or can't communicate directly...
http://www.caringgenius.com/communicati ... riplegics/
Extrapolate, infer, deduce...
And what has being an aspie got to do with anything?...
Autism is a syndrome, not a mental illness, if that is where you are coming from...
Do some research on mind control, ritual abuse and synthetic-telepathy/psychotronics...
If you don't like what you find, ignore it...<shrug>
It is pretty disturbing stuff after all...
I only wanted to touch on the subject...
It is as unprofitable discussing this as is religion...or the lack of it...
No amount of reasoning will convince someone if they are not amenable...
As Morpheus said:
"Unfortunately, no one can be told what The Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself."
Q: How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: One, but the light bulb has got to want to change...
Lets move on...
07 Jul 2013, 3:17 am
ruveyn wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Have you consider psychotronics/synthetic-telepathy?
No. Because there is no known physical basis for telepathy. All the tricks displayed by the so-called telepaths and spoon-benders have been duplicated by James Randi who says right up front, he is doing a trick.
ruveyn
I don't believe in "natural" telepathy either...
I have already posted as much as I feel is necessary on the topic...(see above)
And it is off topic anyway.
If someone is interested, they can start a new thread, but it is one of those things that people are open to or not...like religion...
Past experience tells me there is little profit talking about it on a non-dedicated web site...
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07 Jul 2013, 1:19 pm
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Why F with some Aspie's head concerning the existence of God? And wouldn't the OP be aware of a device implanted in his head, and the proximity of the electrical equipment?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
You jumped to an incorrect conclusion...
I am not suggesting anyone has implants...
Subliminal hypnotic suggestion, as an example, doesn't need it...
I am merely pointing out, via the Delgado experiments, how the mind can be manipulated.
The Delgado experiments were done many decades ago...
There is nothing inviolable when it comes to sociopathic intention...
Interestingly some, if not many, in the religious community are aware of the abuse of hypnotic susceptibility...
Brainwaves can be interpreted/deciphered...
There are even gaming devices using this method to interface with computers...
http://www.news.com.au/technology/gamin ... 6658167678
And this sort of technology can/does help quadriplegics and even those who are totally paralyzed and/or can't communicate directly...
http://www.caringgenius.com/communicati ... riplegics/
Extrapolate, infer, deduce...
And what has being an aspie got to do with anything?...
Autism is a syndrome, not a mental illness, if that is where you are coming from...
Do some research on mind control, ritual abuse and synthetic-telepathy/psychotronics...
If you don't like what you find, ignore it...<shrug>
It is pretty disturbing stuff after all...
I only wanted to touch on the subject...
It is as unprofitable discussing this as is religion...or the lack of it...
No amount of reasoning will convince someone if they are not amenable...
As Morpheus said:
"Unfortunately, no one can be told what The Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself."
Q: How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: One, but the light bulb has got to want to change...
Lets move on...
I brought up the OP's Asperger's because I think it odd anyone would mess with some ordinary person with high functioning autism just to make him doubt the existence of God. I'm not sure where you figured I equated Asperger's with mental illness from.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
07 Jul 2013, 6:48 pm
