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Maria Kang is a sociopath. 7%  7%  [ 3 ]
Maria Kang is a bully. 9%  9%  [ 4 ]
Maria Kang is a bad mom. 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
No Opinion, one way or the other. 26%  26%  [ 11 ]
Maria Kang is a good mom. 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
Maria Kang is only trying to help. 7%  7%  [ 3 ]
Maria Kang is HOT!! ! 30%  30%  [ 13 ]
Other: ________________ (Please Explain). 14%  14%  [ 6 ]
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23 Oct 2013, 5:28 pm

Kang works full time at a job in fitness. That's a much better way to stay fit than working at a job where you sit at the desk all day.
"Kang, of Sacramento, California, is a former pageant queen and fitness competitor who founded the nonprofit Fitness Without Borders in 2007...Kang says she works out five to six days a week, about an hour at a time, doing a half-hour of strength training and a half-hour of cardio — running, the stair climber, or a spin or Zumba class. She adds that, while it might seem amazing that she can fit in regular exercise while raising three kids and working, she structures her time in ways that make it all work. She watches no TV, for example, wakes up at 6 a.m., and, while she’s at the park with her children, “I’m working out. I’m not sitting there on my iPhone.” And she gets plenty of help from her husband, David Casler.
Casler, who suffered a traumatic brain injury during a bomb attack in Iraq, where he worked as a private security contractor, is no longer able to work. He volunteers, though, with the Team Rubicon disaster-relief organization."
From the Yahoo interview.

I actually agree about the tv and the bad diet - there's not a lot worth watching on tv anyway, and fresh fruits and veggies are actually cheaper to buy than pre-prepared crap. But if someone is using that non-tv time to read literature, or study, or work on a hobby important to them, I don't see that as somehow morally worse than using the time to exercise.



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23 Oct 2013, 5:55 pm

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^ Neither can I. After all of that effort, I can't see that either side has changed their mind about anything.


There are sides?



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23 Oct 2013, 6:05 pm

"What's your excuse" = implying that fat people are fat because of lack of will = fat shaming = bullying.

So yeah.

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She did, however, prove that a woman with three children who exercises one hour per day, six days a week, and who eats appropriately for a woman of her mass, height and age can look as fit as any cheerleader half her age.
She proved that someone with her exact biology and metabolism can do it. That includes her, and with some low probability someone else in her family.


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23 Oct 2013, 7:21 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
"What's your excuse" = implying that fat people are fat because of lack of will = fat shaming = bullying.

So yeah.

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She did, however, prove that a woman with three children who exercises one hour per day, six days a week, and who eats appropriately for a woman of her mass, height and age can look as fit as any cheerleader half her age.
She proved that someone with her exact biology and metabolism can do it. That includes her, and with some low probability someone else in her family.


In more than 90% of all cases of overweight and 99% of all cases of obesity, the person has nothing but their own will to blame. There's no magic gene that dooms people into becoming fat; if you have a slow (or static, which is the proper term) metabolism, it means that you need less food than an average person to survive, not that you're supposed to be fat.

Fat shaming is saying that fat people can't do most of the jobs slim people can't do, that fat people are dumber than slim people or that fat people are clumsy. I've seen plenty of girls at my gym who are just as fit as Maria Kang. Many of them haven't worked out for more than a year either.



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23 Oct 2013, 8:16 pm

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Maria Kang does work full time. Anyone who has time watching TV (I know a lot of women with children and full-time jobs who do this for 3-4 hours per day) also have time to exercise.


It is easy to chill out in front a TV because (gasp!) the TV is already in the home. Here's a typical household with a working mom (and let's just assume here that of course the man does not help her out, as is usually the case)
If her kids go to sleep at 8pm, many times there is clean-up and preparation for the next morning (especially for a working mom with kids in school) and maybe some bills to pay or other paperwork while she can concentrate without constant interruptions. (And if there are special needs kids in tow? That's a whole different ballgame LOL). So figure, (conservatively!) 9pm by the time things are done for the evening. And then to get ready to go to the gym? To drive there? To get there and change? Uhhh.. that's maybe 9:30pm, at earliest. What time does your neighborhood gym close during the week? Oh, perhaps you expect the mom to go out jogging in the dark of night? Hmmm.
I forgot! She can rush over there and after a 20 minute workout, rush back home, showering at home since the gym kicks her out. She is exhausted by 11pm and then her husband expects some "action". She gets to sleep by midnight, maybe. She wakes up at 6:00am to rush and get herself ready in 30 minutes before she has to get the kids up in the morning to rush to school.
Does this make sense to the average mother? Most likely not.



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23 Oct 2013, 10:15 pm

Kurgan wrote:
In more than 90% of all cases of overweight and 99% of all cases of obesity, the person has nothing but their own will to blame. There's no magic gene that dooms people into becoming fat; if you have a slow (or static, which is the proper term) metabolism, it means that you need less food than an average person to survive, not that you're supposed to be fat.

needs citation.



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24 Oct 2013, 12:25 am

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I think Maria's a very attractive woman, who's worked hard to maintain her own personal health while raising three kids. All who do the same should be commended for their efforts, not condemned.
I am condemning her for fat shaming.

I don't think anyone deserves commendation for being "attractive" as if that was a big accomplishment. For starters, it is not women's work to be eye candy. And attractiveness is a very subjective thing.


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24 Oct 2013, 12:34 am

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In more than 90% of all cases of overweight and 99% of all cases of obesity, the person has nothing but their own will to blame.

Blame for what? Nobody has a duty to stop being overweight. Specifically, women don't owe you anything and you are not entitled for anyone to work towards following your definition of attractive.

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There's no magic gene that dooms people into becoming fat;

Definitely, genetics are not magic. The number of documented conditions linked to a higher BMI and also linked to genetic factors is quite provable. And although most genotypes won't determine that you will be fat or skinny they will determine the amount of exercise and food you'd need to accomplish a specific BMI.


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Fat shaming is saying that fat people can't do most of the jobs slim people can't do, that fat people are dumber than slim people or that fat people are clumsy.

Fat shaming also includes saying that fat people are just lazy, which is exactly what this woman and you are doing.

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I've seen plenty of girls at my gym who are just as fit as Maria Kang. Many of them haven't worked out for more than a year either.


Yes, and I am sure this proves that people with the same phenotype, time availability, vocation and personality as these gym girls can become fit in about a year. So what?

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Anyone who has time watching TV (I know a lot of women with children and full-time jobs who do this for 3-4 hours per day) also have time to exercise.

1) This is utter BS. The BS starts with your assumption that time can only be described quantitatively and not qualitatively. The quality of the time you need to be able to exercise is much different from the quality of the time you need to be able to watch TV. You can easily watch TV while being mentally or physically exhausted. More so: multi tasking: It is quite easy to watch TV while you are cooking and doing home tasks. Exercise? Not so much. And these women have children, has it occurred to you that they watch TV as a way to share time with their children? Being a parent includes not only working for your children but giving them attention. Overall, it is just stupid and bigoted to judge people over ASSUMPTIONS that you make about them.

2) No one has the obligation to do exercise instead of watching TV.


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24 Oct 2013, 5:28 am

mikassyna wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
Maria Kang does work full time. Anyone who has time watching TV (I know a lot of women with children and full-time jobs who do this for 3-4 hours per day) also have time to exercise.


It is easy to chill out in front a TV because (gasp!) the TV is already in the home. Here's a typical household with a working mom (and let's just assume here that of course the man does not help her out, as is usually the case)
If her kids go to sleep at 8pm, many times there is clean-up and preparation for the next morning (especially for a working mom with kids in school) and maybe some bills to pay or other paperwork while she can concentrate without constant interruptions. (And if there are special needs kids in tow? That's a whole different ballgame LOL). So figure, (conservatively!) 9pm by the time things are done for the evening. And then to get ready to go to the gym? To drive there? To get there and change? Uhhh.. that's maybe 9:30pm, at earliest. What time does your neighborhood gym close during the week? Oh, perhaps you expect the mom to go out jogging in the dark of night? Hmmm.
I forgot! She can rush over there and after a 20 minute workout, rush back home, showering at home since the gym kicks her out. She is exhausted by 11pm and then her husband expects some "action". She gets to sleep by midnight, maybe. She wakes up at 6:00am to rush and get herself ready in 30 minutes before she has to get the kids up in the morning to rush to school.
Does this make sense to the average mother? Most likely not.


i am a full time university student and i work part time of up to 25 hrs a week. I don't have 3 kids but i have 2 kids with autism and I am a single parent. Today I fitted in over 2 hours of exercise.

How you may ask?

I walked my kids to school and then walked home to use transport. Add up twice a day, that is 90 minutes. 45 of those minutes are spent multitasking by spending bonding time with my kids talking about their days and anything and everything under the sun. I carry one in my child carrier half the time so that is cardio with weights for 30 minutes a day.

When we got home, we went for a walk along the beach collecting shells for 30 minutes.

During the day, when i had a spare 10 minutes, i would climb flights of stairs as fast as i can.

Fitting exercise into ones day is not hard, but people have to be a bit inventive about it. There really are no excuses.


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24 Oct 2013, 6:11 am

Kurgan wrote:
In more than 90% of all cases of overweight and 99% of all cases of obesity, the person has nothing but their own will to blame.


You are still not getting it. Why should people feel blame at all, only because of their body shape not being to your liking? ^^

Noones blames you or that Maria for however you look like. Hardly possible, when I dont know what you look like, and are neither interested in.

Its your attitude that people shall feel blame, about not being the way you want them to be, and additional excuse themselves for not being the way you want them to be.

Posting a photo with a sportscar and writing on it: "Wohuuu! Look at my mighty supercool car I finally afforded. Its so great!" Thats being proud.

Posting the same photo, writing: "Whats your excuse?" on it, simply is bad behavior.

And pointing on "But she looks hot, so she should be allowed to behave badly." is stupid.

Thats nothing else like rich people, thinking to be allowed to treat others badly. It doesnt care, what body shape you have, or what bank account you have. If you behave sh***y, then people will point on that.



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24 Oct 2013, 6:21 am

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Obesity is considered unattractive because it makes a woman less fertile, because it can make the birth troublesome for the child and because an obese woman will pass her bad habits onto the child.


Good. Then I can ignore that social norm because I never wanted children and I am no longer fertile, it would be false advertising.

What she does is just as annoying as anyone else proselytizing about how their way of life is the right way and everyone else should do it. I say live and let live. What other people do is none of your business.

Saying "I can do it, so can you" is ableist. Just because you can doesn't mean everyone can, or that they even want to.



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24 Oct 2013, 6:57 am

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Fitting exercise into ones day is not hard, but people have to be a bit inventive about it. There really are no excuses.


Being active is not the same as exercise (cardiovascular workout), getting the heart rate up and building up a real sweat, which I would consider running nonstop for at least 15-20 minutes. Some people think vacuuming is exercise. I don't. If your criteria is walking to school or taking stairs here and there, I do that too, I just don't consider it exercise. I simply consider it being routinely active.

However some people do not have the pleasure of living in a metropolitan city or a college town. Some people have 30min-2hr commutes each way to work and cannot possibly exercise while in transit.



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24 Oct 2013, 7:23 am

Maria Kang has a fair bit of inner conflict over body image. If you read her blog (which I did to some extent courtesy of the original link) you can see two aspects of her self fighting back and forth. One aspect is the photo and its caption. But the other aspect is eerily like some of her detractors.

from her blog. an entry predating the famous image:



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It is often said that “Comparison is the thief of Joy”. It robs people from seeing their own value and personal progress. It’s a natural part of who we are – obviously. We don’t know we are short unless someone is taller than us. We don’t know we are poor, until someone is richer than us. The other day, I didn’t realize how ‘unfit’ I seemingly was, until I viewed all these online images of extremely fit women.
I didn’t take into consideration that most of them didn’t have kids, were sponsored athletes or professional bikini competitors. I didn’t research if they had a demanding job or was closing in on their mid-thirties. Yet even if they did have/not have all that, I didn’t think about my daily efforts, which was truly the only thing I should’ve thought about. I didn’t think about the 2 miles I did run despite only having 30 minutes to leave the house or eating well most of the time despite cooking for a family of five and attending 3 events in one week.


This aspect of her self compared her to very fit models and she felt bad that she wasn't as fit as them. Then she realized that their lives were completely different from hers and she had life circumstances that prevented her from being as fit as them. She did what was right for her at that point in her life. In the above quote from her blog, she could easily be somebody posting a comment about that image which explains why 'excuse' is the wrong word.



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24 Oct 2013, 7:40 am

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Kang works full time at a job in fitness. That's a much better way to stay fit than working at a job where you sit at the desk all day.


No excuse.

I work at a desk job. I lost over 30 pounds on NutriSystem and I went to the gym 3 times a week for about 15-20 minutes to do a single set of moderate weights on every muscle group.

I'm off the diet now, maintaining if not slowly bouncing from 165-170, working out harder but still doing one set for each muscle group within 20 minutes. My abs are somewhat showing, and I have my waist back.

It's all about portion control, eating good foods (saving naughty things for rare treats), and making an effort to do effective exercise for about 20-30 minutes 3 times a week.

It's all about discipline to make the small amount of time to do it. If anything, the diet is the hardest part for people to stick to because of all the temptation.



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24 Oct 2013, 8:22 am

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This aspect of her self compared her to very fit models and she felt bad that she wasn't as fit as them. Then she realized that their lives were completely different from hers and she had life circumstances that prevented her from being as fit as them. She did what was right for her at that point in her life. In the above quote from her blog, she could easily be somebody posting a comment about that image which explains why 'excuse' is the wrong word.


And that's how the very a propos word "hypocrite" can be applied to her.



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24 Oct 2013, 5:48 pm

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Blame for what? Nobody has a duty to stop being overweight. Specifically, women don't owe you anything and you are not entitled for anyone to work towards following your definition of attractive.


That's not what I wrote. A lot of people want to be healthy, and a lot of people complain that they're not healthy. Hence, this is important to a lot of people. My definition of what's attractive, is based on the same ground pillars as most other people's beauty standards, plus some personal preferences (eg. a distinctive voice, slightly wavy hair etc.).

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Definitely, genetics are not magic. The number of documented conditions linked to a higher BMI and also linked to genetic factors is quite provable. And although most genotypes won't determine that you will be fat or skinny they will determine the amount of exercise and food you'd need to accomplish a specific BMI.


And these genetic conditions are not present in the vast majority of obese people, which is why a gastric bypass surgery (which forces you to eat less) usually works. If person A burns 500 calories less per day than person B, person A needs 500 calories less per day than person B; it's that simple. There's a basal metabolic rate that applies to everyone--and there are individual variations in activity. When these factors are accounted for, we can talk about "slow" or "fast" metabolism. If there was a gene that doomed people into obesity when they "starved themselves", it would firstly violate the laws of thermodynamics and secondly, the gene would probably be the subject of intense research to solve the third world hunger problem.

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Fat shaming also includes saying that fat people are just lazy, which is exactly what this woman and you are doing.


Neither I nor Maria Kang said that all fat people were lazy. If you're fat, it means that you want to eat too much and exercise too little more than you want to be physically fit.

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Yes, and I am sure this proves that people with the same phenotype, time availability, vocation and personality as these gym girls can become fit in about a year. So what?


Maria Kang is an ecto-mesomorph, which is a very common bodytype. A week has 168 hours, and most people have more than enough spare time; everyone has four hours to devote to exercise. I've spent 70+ hours on my studies this week, plus travelling and work, with an average of 2,5 hours of sleep per night. I still managed to exercise four times per week. People who whine about how they can't devote a few hours every week getting something they want when this is nearly free, deserve no sympathy.

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1) This is utter BS. The BS starts with your assumption that time can only be described quantitatively and not qualitatively. The quality of the time you need to be able to exercise is much different from the quality of the time you need to be able to watch TV. You can easily watch TV while being mentally or physically exhausted.


I've been in a state of perpetual mental exhaustion since early september; it never stopped me from exercising. With 16 hours of spare time every weekday (significantly more if you work part-time) and 24 hours of spare time every saturday and sunday (which most people have after graduating college), there's plenty of time for exercise and relaxation.

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More so: multi tasking: It is quite easy to watch TV while you are cooking and doing home tasks.


No.

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Exercise? Not so much. And these women have children, has it occurred to you that they watch TV as a way to share time with their children? Being a parent includes not only working for your children but giving them attention. Overall, it is just stupid and bigoted to judge people over ASSUMPTIONS that you make about them.


A lot of mothers I know watch soap operas and stuff that's inappropriate for children for hours per day. If they don't want to spend the time exercising, they shouldn't rip on someone who does. There's plenty of time for exercise when the kids are at the ballet, at soccer practice or hanging out with friends.

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2) No one has the obligation to do exercise instead of watching TV.


Correct. Noone has the obligation to sit on the couch and eat cupcakes instead of exercising either. Everyone who complains about unreasonable beauty standards, how they'd "totally go for a workout" if they had more time and all that, should either shut up or do something about it.