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Is voting futile?
Yes 25%  25%  [ 4 ]
No 44%  44%  [ 7 ]
At this current moment in time it's futile, but in the future it might not be 25%  25%  [ 4 ]
I'm unsure 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
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16 Feb 2014, 11:32 pm

Do you think that voting is futile and that no real change can come from this democratic process?

Voting in the general election.



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16 Feb 2014, 11:37 pm

I'd like it a helluva lot if there were better choices than bad and worse.


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16 Feb 2014, 11:39 pm

Voting is not futile. But voting is also not nearly enough. A simple pen mark on a ballot is not the same as actually getting involved.

I may be a liberal, but I have far more respect for the conservatives who take legitimate action to advocate for their cause than the liberals who do not.



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17 Feb 2014, 12:20 am

"It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." --J.V. Stalin



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17 Feb 2014, 3:42 am

I voted no, elections are not futile, though in all honesty, I was thinking about local and state elections just as much as national elections. After all, legalization of gay marriage and weed was accomplished in my own state of Washington through popular vote. Right there, that's proof of the power of the vote. And I got to see my guy Barry O get elected to the highest office in the land twice. :D


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17 Feb 2014, 5:18 am

I live in the UK and I'm not even old enough to vote, but I can say with the parties we have at the moment that voting is rather futile. Each election, it just swings from one party to the other, never really making many changes or doing anything to benefit the working class (i.e who they should be helping). There is little difference between our 2 (or arguably 3 or 4) main parties these days, and if you dislike their general attitude, as I for one do, there is no choice. It's a disguised single-party system realistically. We don't even have a strong left wing party full stop, surely that is unfair? There is no way for someone without the conventional centre-right views to get involved in politics over here to be honest, and when I am actually old enough to vote, it will still feel a waste of time. I'm not exactly saying that a dictatorship is a realistic and only possible solution, but I definitely think that (in the UK at least) there should be a much greater range of people to vote for.


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17 Feb 2014, 11:26 am

Raptor wrote:
I'd like it a helluva lot if there were better choices between bad and worse.


Agreed. In America, voting has become a choice of deciding which is the lesser of two evils. In my opinion, it seems to be the Democrats right now.

RedStar98 wrote:
I live in the UK and I'm not even old enough to vote, but I can say with the parties we have at the moment that voting is rather futile. Each election, it just swings from one party to the other, never really making many changes or doing anything to benefit the working class (i.e who they should be helping). There is little difference between our 2 (or arguably 3 or 4) main parties these days, and if you dislike their general attitude, as I for one do, there is no choice. It's a disguised single-party system realistically. We don't even have a strong left wing party full stop, surely that is unfair? There is no way for someone without the conventional centre-right views to get involved in politics over here to be honest, and when I am actually old enough to vote, it will still feel a waste of time. I'm not exactly saying that a dictatorship is a realistic and only possible solution, but I definitely think that (in the UK at least) there should be a much greater range of people to vote for.


Just when I had hope that there might be other democratic countries in the world that are saner than America is right now. THE MADNESS IS SPREADING.

Yes, I know human madness was already there, but I think the growth of human apathy, stupidity, and ignorance is allowing the madness to conquer the governments again, this time with a stronger hold than ever before.



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17 Feb 2014, 8:51 pm

I voted the third option because I'm hoping things change.



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18 Feb 2014, 3:12 am

Not at all. In 2002 a strong BNP vote in Oldham changed central government policy not to house asylum seekers in that town even without electing any councillors. Effectively the BNP won without winning.



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18 Feb 2014, 4:47 am

Voting is not futile. IMO Those who don't vote have no right to complain about who wins elections. If everyone thought it futile to vote we'd end up living under something other than a democracy e.g. military rule or dictatorship. If none of the political parties appeals to you then create your own political movement - if you have something good to say people will join you. In time you may have enough support to fight elections and get your own party elected. That is the way democracy works.


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18 Feb 2014, 4:59 am

I voted yes, at least in the USA it is, depending on your party, how you vote and what state you live in, like if you are a republican in California , California always votes democrat, if you vote republican it won't matter, opposite is true if you are a democrat in Texas.

My state like California always votes democrat, so as i don't, my vote doesn't matter. Though states like ohio are different where each vote does matter. that silly system of electoral votes. I wish in all states that the votes were decided by districts rather then awarded in whole. Until then my vote won't matter except in city elections.



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18 Feb 2014, 5:00 am

It can't be any more futile than not voting.

I always forget to register until it's too late. But apart from that I would vote.


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18 Feb 2014, 12:21 pm

Voting is and isn't futile.

People need to get involved, and understand who they are voting for and do actual research, not just what the tv says.

But there are also people who's votes are futile. I live in Maryland, and the vote of anyone who doesn't live on the I-95 corridor is meaningless. There elected reps are on the opposite aisle of a Democratic super majority.

If we could reverse the USC decision in Ropper vs Simms, we could make voting more meaningful to everyone. Before Ropper vs Simms, state senates would often be based on geographic regions, or per county with state houses being based on population. This balanced our rural interests with urban interests similar to how every state gets 2 Senators but House of Delegates is based on population.



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18 Feb 2014, 4:17 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
After all, legalization of gay marriage and weed was accomplished in my own state of Washington through popular vote.

I think it's sad that we have to vote in order to stop government bigotry.



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18 Feb 2014, 4:24 pm

TallyMan wrote:
Voting is not futile. IMO Those who don't vote have no right to complain about who wins elections. If everyone thought it futile to vote we'd end up living under something other than a democracy e.g. military rule or dictatorship. If none of the political parties appeals to you then create your own political movement - if you have something good to say people will join you. In time you may have enough support to fight elections and get your own party elected. That is the way democracy works.

I don't agree with the idea that people aren't entitled to an opinion or a complaint simply because they don't vote. That attitude has more of a chance of leading to a dictatorship than the belief that voting is futile.

I'm giving you a big thumbs down for your assault on the first amendment.



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18 Feb 2014, 4:43 pm

RedStar98 wrote:
I live in the UK and I'm not even old enough to vote, but I can say with the parties we have at the moment that voting is rather futile. Each election, it just swings from one party to the other, never really making many changes or doing anything to benefit the working class (i.e who they should be helping). There is little difference between our 2 (or arguably 3 or 4) main parties these days, and if you dislike their general attitude, as I for one do, there is no choice. It's a disguised single-party system realistically. We don't even have a strong left wing party full stop, surely that is unfair? There is no way for someone without the conventional centre-right views to get involved in politics over here to be honest, and when I am actually old enough to vote, it will still feel a waste of time. I'm not exactly saying that a dictatorship is a realistic and only possible solution, but I definitely think that (in the UK at least) there should be a much greater range of people to vote for.


Then do what I did, inquire of the policies of independent MPs, and vote for one of them, if enough people wake up to this, we can rid ourselves of the current banker dictatorship and have MPs who will represent the people who voted for them rather than the Party Financiers.