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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
My point doesn't involve debating the intelligence of elephants - more about their priorities which are firmly earth-bound.
This doesn?t seem very earth-bound to me. In fact, it looks suspiciously like the origins of human ?spirituality?:
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Elephants are the only species of mammals other than Homo sapiens sapiens and Neanderthals[35] known to have or have had any recognizable ritual around death. They show a keen interest in the bones of their own kind (even unrelated elephants that have died long ago). They are often seen gently investigating the bones with their trunks and feet while remaining very quiet. Sometimes elephants that are completely unrelated to the deceased still visit their graves.[15] When an elephant is hurt, other elephants (even if they are unrelated) aid them.[24]
Elephant researcher Martin Meredith recalls an occurrence in his book about a typical elephant death ritual that was witnessed by Anthony Hall-Martin, a South African biologist who had studied elephants in Addo, South Africa, for over eight years. The entire family of a dead matriarch, including her young calf, were all gently touching her body with their trunks, trying to lift her. The elephant herd were all rumbling loudly. The calf was observed to be weeping and made sounds that sounded like a scream, but then the entire herd fell incredibly silent. They then began to throw leaves and dirt over the body and broke off tree branches to cover her. They spent the next two days quietly standing over her body. They sometimes had to leave to get water or food, but they would always return.[36]
Occurrences of elephants behaving this way around human beings are common throughout Africa. On many occasions, they have buried dead or sleeping humans or aided them when they were hurt.[24] Meredith also recalls an event told to him by George Adamson, a Kenyan Game Warden, regarding an old Turkana woman who fell asleep under a tree after losing her way home. When she woke up, there was an elephant standing over her, gently touching her. She kept very still because she was very frightened. As other elephants arrived, they began to scream loudly and buried her under branches. She was found the next morning by the local herdsmen, unharmed.[36]
George Adamson also recalls when he shot a bull elephant from a herd that kept breaking into the government gardens of Northern Kenya. George gave the elephant's meat to local Turkana tribesmen and then dragged the rest of the carcass half a mile away. That night, the other elephants found the body and took the shoulder blade and leg bone and returned the bones to the exact spot the elephant was killed.[37] Scientists often debate the extent that elephants feel emotion.[37]
Elephant researcher Martin Meredith recalls an occurrence in his book about a typical elephant death ritual that was witnessed by Anthony Hall-Martin, a South African biologist who had studied elephants in Addo, South Africa, for over eight years. The entire family of a dead matriarch, including her young calf, were all gently touching her body with their trunks, trying to lift her. The elephant herd were all rumbling loudly. The calf was observed to be weeping and made sounds that sounded like a scream, but then the entire herd fell incredibly silent. They then began to throw leaves and dirt over the body and broke off tree branches to cover her. They spent the next two days quietly standing over her body. They sometimes had to leave to get water or food, but they would always return.[36]
Occurrences of elephants behaving this way around human beings are common throughout Africa. On many occasions, they have buried dead or sleeping humans or aided them when they were hurt.[24] Meredith also recalls an event told to him by George Adamson, a Kenyan Game Warden, regarding an old Turkana woman who fell asleep under a tree after losing her way home. When she woke up, there was an elephant standing over her, gently touching her. She kept very still because she was very frightened. As other elephants arrived, they began to scream loudly and buried her under branches. She was found the next morning by the local herdsmen, unharmed.[36]
George Adamson also recalls when he shot a bull elephant from a herd that kept breaking into the government gardens of Northern Kenya. George gave the elephant's meat to local Turkana tribesmen and then dragged the rest of the carcass half a mile away. That night, the other elephants found the body and took the shoulder blade and leg bone and returned the bones to the exact spot the elephant was killed.[37] Scientists often debate the extent that elephants feel emotion.[37]
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
They spend most their time tending to earthly matters. They do not think about sky objects
How can you be so sure? Have you talked with one?
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
or spend an inordinate amount of life span constructing in order to satiate this obsession like humans. An elephant will roam the day through without shelter and not think twice. It knows it is home.
Humans didn?t build much more than other primates do till the Neolithic Revolution, i.e., by far, for most of our history as a species. On the other hand, big animals are less motivated to do it because they don?t have much of a need for shelter, especially if they also have very thick skins. This is again the square-cube law at work: their surface-to-volume ratio is much less than ours, which helps them conserve body heat (in addition to making them much more energy-efficient than smaller mammals). In warm climates, if they have trouble with anything in this regard, it?s with getting rid of excessive heat, which is why they use their ears as radiators. If it gets colder, growing a little hair (and preferably becoming a little bigger, too) is enough for them, like mammoths and mastodons did.
EDIT ? Added link.
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What thee heck? They walk around, eat alot, make babies, and get intoxicated by eating rotten fruit once a year. That is about it.
But humans make war too! Wait you are talking about humans right?
You are stereotyping humans. I don't make war. I was thalking about elephants.
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