Page 4 of 5 [ 80 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next

funeralxempire
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Oct 2014
Age: 41
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 34,202
Location: Right over your left shoulder

14 Feb 2015, 6:52 pm

Lazar_Kaganovich wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Purplepolkadots wrote:
I don't know about America, but I'm Canadian Métis and part Cree.
Up here, it's usually native peoples of Canada (only used on official documents), Aboriginal, First Nations, or Inuit, depending on what region you are in. I personally don't care, unless they say Indian.
At least in Canada, it's considered extremely disrespectful to say Indian unless the person is from India. You can actually get expelled from school, and charged with a hate crime if it's a repeat offense.


In Canada the legal term is Indian. I know this because I'm a registered Indian, not a registered Native/Aboriginal/First Nations/whatever.

Personally I prefer the term 'Amerind' when referring to native people in general, otherwise I go out of my way to use a more specific ethnonym (Abenaki or Iroquois or Cree or whatever) if possible.



So I guess Deepa Mehta is an unregistered indian, amirite?


Deepa Mehta doesn't sound too likely to be eligible for registration under the Indian Act. :?

An unregistered Indian would be a person of Amerind descent who is eligible for Indian status according to the Indian Act but has chosen not to register with the Indian Register.


_________________
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. —Malcolm X
Just a reminder: under international law, an occupying power has no right of self-defense, and those who are occupied have the right and duty to liberate themselves by any means possible.


Purplepolkadots
Tufted Titmouse
Tufted Titmouse

User avatar

Joined: 26 Feb 2014
Gender: Female
Posts: 39

12 Mar 2015, 6:33 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Purplepolkadots wrote:
I don't know about America, but I'm Canadian Métis and part Cree.
Up here, it's usually native peoples of Canada (only used on official documents), Aboriginal, First Nations, or Inuit, depending on what region you are in. I personally don't care, unless they say Indian.
At least in Canada, it's considered extremely disrespectful to say Indian unless the person is from India. You can actually get expelled from school, and charged with a hate crime if it's a repeat offense.


On wikipedia is says "Canadian Metis" is a person part European/part native, so I wonder do you despise the naming of "Indian" because you think they are lower class people ?

I have heard this is true in Mexico, where the part European/part native people look down on the darker skin Indians, so to call them Indian would be to assign them to a lower class.


I'm not quite sure how to respond to this. :|
My dad is Cree (which is Native) and my mum is métis. By law, I'm considered métis because the white side tends to take precedence in law.
Usually, in my band, it's actually the métis that are considered more "lower class" because that means you're more white, and that you don't have status.
I'm just going by what I was taught, and I was taught that using Indian for Aboriginal people is disrespectful just because that's mis-identifying us. That was basically Columbus coming over here, think he was in India, and calling the people Indian because that made sense.
We now know that we live North America, and I know a few Indians (from the actual India) who aren't too happy about us being called Indian either.
It's not me thinking that anybody is more lower class, it's just our preferred way of labeling ourselves.

It's like say, if you moved to Russia. What if people kept on calling you Russian, even if they knew that you're American, and that you expressed your desire to be referred to as an American.
Not only would it be annoying, confusing (people in Russia thinking that you are Russian, then believing that you betrayed them) disrespectful, and frustrating, you could be looked down upon.

In the end, it's up to the individual to decide what they prefer to be called, and it's up to you to respect their wishes. When in doubt, ask a person of that race. White people aren't allowed to choose what they prefer a poc to be called, and they should respect whatever somebody tells them.

Sorry for the long (and somewhat bossy :oops: ) ramble :D



LoveNotHate
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Oct 2013
Gender: Female
Posts: 6,195
Location: USA

12 Mar 2015, 6:41 pm

Purplepolkadots wrote:
. That was basically Columbus coming over here, think he was in India, and calling the people Indian because that made sense.
Sorry for the long (and somewhat bossy :oops: ) ramble :D


I understand now. Thanks.



aghogday
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 Nov 2010
Age: 66
Gender: Male
Posts: 12,319

12 Mar 2015, 8:25 pm

Image

Pardon me.

Don't mean to interrupt but earlier someone disputed the FACT THAT MY WIFE IS AN INDIAN PRINCESS, or maybe it was my great great grandmother but never the less, this is the Indian Princess Katrina who rules the beach of sugar white sands of Navarre that my somewhat Indian great Uncle named in Indian lore..:)

And sadly enough.. she was not there with the great spirit this week.. to protect the 11 marines who died in Black Hawk Helicopter crash there.. but seriously.. WE are praying to the Great Spirit for them...


_________________
KATiE MiA FredericK!iI

Gravatar is one of the coolest things ever!! !

http://en.gravatar.com/katiemiafrederick


slave
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 Feb 2012
Age: 113
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,420
Location: Dystopia Planetia

12 Mar 2015, 10:03 pm

LonelyJar wrote:
I'm just curious about why this is the appropriate term, as opposed to "Native American". The latter more accurately describes the ethnicity, in my opinion, while "American Indian" just reinforces how good ol' Chris Columbus thought he discovered a quicker route to India. (Amerigo Vespucci later proved Columbus was wrong.) I believe that "American Indian" should only refer to Indians with American heritage (think African-American or Asian-American) or those who are of American and Indian descent.


All people from the Indian sub-continent are Indian.
Americans from India are American Indians.
Aboriginals in America have not and never will be Indian.
Columbus was ignorant and those who inaccurately use the term are likewise uninformed.



appletheclown
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 5 Apr 2013
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,378
Location: Soul Society

12 Mar 2015, 10:36 pm

I am part Native American. I will never see my NATIVE AMERICAN ancestors as INDIAN, leave that name to people form INDIA.

Indians are from India, Native Americans are from America, GET IT RIGHT! :shameonyou: :evil:


_________________
comedic burp


AspieUtah
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 20 Jun 2014
Age: 64
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,118
Location: Brigham City, Utah

13 Mar 2015, 9:29 am

appletheclown wrote:
...Indians are from India, Native Americans are from America, GET IT RIGHT! :shameonyou: :evil:

I was born in America. That makes native American, but I amn't Native American? See the problem with such a description? It fails to differentiate between you (who has American Indian ancestry) and me (who has no known American Indian ancestry).


_________________
Diagnosed in 2015 with ASD Level 1 by the University of Utah Health Care Autism Spectrum Disorder Clinic using the ADOS-2 Module 4 assessment instrument [11/30] -- Screened in 2014 with ASD by using the University of Cambridge Autism Research Centre AQ (Adult) [43/50]; EQ-60 for adults [11/80]; FQ [43/135]; SQ (Adult) [130/150] self-reported screening inventories -- Assessed since 1978 with an estimated IQ [≈145] by several clinicians -- Contact on WrongPlanet.net by private message (PM)


kraftiekortie
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Feb 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 87,510
Location: Queens, NYC

13 Mar 2015, 9:38 am

Probably, the term "aboriginal" is the most accurate for the descendants of the people who migrated over the Bering Sea Land Bridge during one glacial period or another.



appletheclown
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 5 Apr 2013
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,378
Location: Soul Society

13 Mar 2015, 10:04 am

AspieUtah wrote:
appletheclown wrote:
...Indians are from India, Native Americans are from America, GET IT RIGHT! :shameonyou: :evil:

I was born in America. That makes native American, but I amn't Native American? See the problem with such a description? It fails to differentiate between you (who has American Indian ancestry) and me (who has no known American Indian ancestry).


American Indian is not the right term either!
Native, as in the first nation/first people of said land.
If you have no American Aboriginal ancestry, you are not Native American!
Indian is for India, Native American is for American Aboriginals!
Europeans are not native to America, I may be a white boy, but at least I know I'm part American Aboriginal/ Native American, and know the difference.
Calling American Aboriginals/Native Americans, Indians of any kind is not correct!


_________________
comedic burp


ruveyn
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Age: 89
Gender: Male
Posts: 31,502
Location: New Jersey

13 Mar 2015, 10:52 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
"Native American" is the more appropriate term.

"Indian" originated through the fact that Columbus thought he found a new trade route to the Indian Subcontinent.

It's like saying Native Americans are Chinese because somebody thought they landed in China and met the aborigines living in that place mistakenly thought of as being part of China.


Anyone born in America is a native American. For instance, me. On the other hand there are those born in American of Aboriginal ancestry, i.e. their forebears were persons born on this continent before Europeans came to settle here.

So the really correct term is "of American aboriginal ancestry".

ruveyn



appletheclown
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 5 Apr 2013
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,378
Location: Soul Society

13 Mar 2015, 11:16 am

ruveyn wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
"Native American" is the more appropriate term.

"Indian" originated through the fact that Columbus thought he found a new trade route to the Indian Subcontinent.

It's like saying Native Americans are Chinese because somebody thought they landed in China and met the aborigines living in that place mistakenly thought of as being part of China.


Anyone born in America is a native American. For instance, me. On the other hand there are those born in American of Aboriginal ancestry, i.e. their forebears were persons born on this continent before Europeans came to settle here.

So the really correct term is "of American aboriginal ancestry".

ruveyn

Europeans are not Native to America. The word Aboriginal and Native are synonyms so no you are not Native American.


_________________
comedic burp


AspieUtah
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 20 Jun 2014
Age: 64
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,118
Location: Brigham City, Utah

13 Mar 2015, 11:19 am

ruveyn wrote:
...So the really correct term is "of American aboriginal ancestry...."

AAA? :wink:

Etimologically, I agree. I do believe that people can and should call themselves whatever they wish. But, that goes for me, too. And, as I was born in Utah, my nation of nativity is the United States. That makes me a native American, though I amn't a Native American according to contemporary parlance. I also believe that aboriginal is a good descriptor for this matter. But, determining the very first migrants to North America gets a little sketchy unless one uses DNA migration patterns in which case, we end up where this topic got started: India. "It's a mystery wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma...." :?


_________________
Diagnosed in 2015 with ASD Level 1 by the University of Utah Health Care Autism Spectrum Disorder Clinic using the ADOS-2 Module 4 assessment instrument [11/30] -- Screened in 2014 with ASD by using the University of Cambridge Autism Research Centre AQ (Adult) [43/50]; EQ-60 for adults [11/80]; FQ [43/135]; SQ (Adult) [130/150] self-reported screening inventories -- Assessed since 1978 with an estimated IQ [≈145] by several clinicians -- Contact on WrongPlanet.net by private message (PM)


Jacoby
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Gender: Male
Posts: 14,284
Location: Arizona

13 Mar 2015, 11:21 am

appletheclown wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
"Native American" is the more appropriate term.

"Indian" originated through the fact that Columbus thought he found a new trade route to the Indian Subcontinent.

It's like saying Native Americans are Chinese because somebody thought they landed in China and met the aborigines living in that place mistakenly thought of as being part of China.


Anyone born in America is a native American. For instance, me. On the other hand there are those born in American of Aboriginal ancestry, i.e. their forebears were persons born on this continent before Europeans came to settle here.

So the really correct term is "of American aboriginal ancestry".

ruveyn

Europeans are not Native to America. The word Aboriginal and Native are synonyms so no you are not Native American.


Nobody is native to America



appletheclown
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 5 Apr 2013
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,378
Location: Soul Society

13 Mar 2015, 11:25 am

Jacoby wrote:
Nobody is native to America

That would mean Europeans aren't native to Europe and Asians aren't native to Asia and Australian Aborigines are not native to Australia.
Aboriginal and Native refer to first nation/first people/first humans to settle said land.


_________________
comedic burp


Jacoby
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Gender: Male
Posts: 14,284
Location: Arizona

13 Mar 2015, 11:47 am

appletheclown wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Nobody is native to America

That would mean Europeans aren't native to Europe and Asians aren't native to Asia and Australian Aborigines are not native to Australia.
Aboriginal and Native refer to first nation/first people/first humans to settle said land.



correct



Campin_Cat
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 May 2014
Age: 64
Gender: Female
Posts: 25,953
Location: Baltimore, Maryland, U.S.A.

13 Mar 2015, 12:51 pm

appletheclown wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Nobody is native to America

That would mean Europeans aren't native to Europe and Asians aren't native to Asia and Australian Aborigines are not native to Australia.
Aboriginal and Native refer to first nation/first people/first humans to settle said land.


I also agree with this----the qualifying bit, "settle said land", is what defines it, IMO, because, as we all know, the Vikings (Scandinavian warriors) were here before so-called "Native Americans"----but, from what I've read, they were just, sort-of, "passing-through".....