Is God willing to prevent evil?
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I forgot to address another part of one of your previous posts.....
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
What causes humans to embrace ignorance and remain ignorant even when it is clear it is to their own peril and is only going to cause them harm? Great mystery there.....
Well, "ignorance" is subjective, isn't it? What one thinks will cause another harm, the other may not agree with----unless, of course, someone is being warned not to jump off a mountain, 'cause it would surely mean death----and, even then, there's mountain climbers with harnesses that would beg to differ!!
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Campin_Cat wrote:
^^ You're quite welcome!
I forgot to address another part of one of your previous posts.....
Well, "ignorance" is subjective, isn't it? What one thinks will cause another harm, the other may not agree with----unless, of course, someone is being warned not to jump off a mountain, 'cause it would surely mean death----and, even then, there's mountain climbers with harnesses that would beg to differ!!
I forgot to address another part of one of your previous posts.....
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
What causes humans to embrace ignorance and remain ignorant even when it is clear it is to their own peril and is only going to cause them harm? Great mystery there.....
Well, "ignorance" is subjective, isn't it? What one thinks will cause another harm, the other may not agree with----unless, of course, someone is being warned not to jump off a mountain, 'cause it would surely mean death----and, even then, there's mountain climbers with harnesses that would beg to differ!!
I meant a situation like the Titanic when Captain Smith knew there was ice in the area and ordered more speed when it was the ship's maiden voyage and they were not yet accustomed to how it would handle. He seemed ignorant and was determined to remain that way and then BAM the ship scraped the ice berg. That's just one example.
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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Campin_Cat wrote:
I forgot to address another part of one of your previous posts.....[/b][/color]
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
What causes humans to embrace ignorance and remain ignorant even when it is clear it is to their own peril and is only going to cause them harm? Great mystery there.....
Well, "ignorance" is subjective, isn't it? What one thinks will cause another harm, the other may not agree with----unless, of course, someone is being warned not to jump off a mountain, 'cause it would surely mean death----and, even then, there's mountain climbers with harnesses that would beg to differ!!
I meant a situation like the Titanic when Captain Smith knew there was ice in the area and ordered more speed when it was the ship's maiden voyage and they were not yet accustomed to how it would handle. He seemed ignorant and was determined to remain that way and then BAM the ship scraped the ice berg. That's just one example.
Well, I don't know that much about the Titanic, except from the movie----and, I may be giving James Cameron too much credit, here----but.....
In the movie, the captain seemed to know, deep-down-inside, that he shouldn't be going "full-steam-ahead", with the ship----so, that seemed to suggest that he was NOT "un-knowing" (ignorant)----but STUPID, maybe, because he liked the idea of all the "glory" the benefactor guy (or whoever he was) was talking about that they could expect if they pulled-into New York, ahead of schedule.
I feel the Titanic example COULD, arguably, be a good example of our (yours and my) saying that we humans are damaging OURSELVES, though.
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Campin_Cat wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Campin_Cat wrote:
I forgot to address another part of one of your previous posts.....[/b][/color]
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
What causes humans to embrace ignorance and remain ignorant even when it is clear it is to their own peril and is only going to cause them harm? Great mystery there.....
Well, "ignorance" is subjective, isn't it? What one thinks will cause another harm, the other may not agree with----unless, of course, someone is being warned not to jump off a mountain, 'cause it would surely mean death----and, even then, there's mountain climbers with harnesses that would beg to differ!!
I meant a situation like the Titanic when Captain Smith knew there was ice in the area and ordered more speed when it was the ship's maiden voyage and they were not yet accustomed to how it would handle. He seemed ignorant and was determined to remain that way and then BAM the ship scraped the ice berg. That's just one example.
Well, I don't know that much about the Titanic, except from the movie----and, I may be giving James Cameron too much credit, here----but.....
In the movie, the captain seemed to know, deep-down-inside, that he shouldn't be going "full-steam-ahead", with the ship----so, that seemed to suggest that he was NOT "un-knowing" (ignorant)----but STUPID, maybe, because he liked the idea of all the "glory" the benefactor guy (or whoever he was) was talking about that they could expect if they pulled-into New York, ahead of schedule.
I feel the Titanic example COULD, arguably, be a good example of our (yours and my) saying that we humans are damaging OURSELVES, though.
Captain Smith seemed to have a certain ignorance about him, even if it was just an ignorance of the possible outcome of the ship hitting the ice burg and sinking. He most likely believed it wouldn't matter if the ship skimmed a burg since it was so large and touted as unsinkable. So he did seem ignorant of the ship being able to sink.
I think part of this Gnostic ideal is to be cognizant of potential pit falls that could open up before they actually do and spare ourselves the trouble even though this isn't the traditional interpretation of "salvation" as in conquering the finality of death by existing in a kingdom of sorts without any needs, wants, pains, just always perfect. This other way of interpreting "salvation" could mean saving ourselves and others from dangers or evils so we do not experience them, kind of like what goes on when people get screened for cancer so it's caught early lessening the side effects of treatment, increasing the success rate.
Captain Smith's ignorance was not only damaging to himself, since he ended up dying with the realization many passengers would also perish, but to everyone who suffered because of his decisions leading up to the disaster. So yes, we agree!
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I believe God gave us "free-will"----He gave us the power of CHOICE, by giving us the capability to do good or evil, and He promised us Heaven, if we do good.
It's similar, IMO, to when a dad gives his son instructions for how he wants his son to behave when they go-out to a restaurant, for instance, and tells his son if he's good, he'll buy him a toy. The child was given a CHOICE----do GOOD, and get a toy----OR, do bad, and suffer the consequences. The child chooses to not follow his father's instructions. Now, is the father gonna be hurt because his son didn't do what he asked him to do? Yes. Is the father going to disown the son for not following his instructions? No. Is the father going to forgive his son? Yes. Is the father going to give the son another chance? Yes----again, and again, and again!!
Now, lets take Andreas Lubitz as an example----God couldn't prevent him from killing all those people, because God promised us we would be able to make our own CHOICES (free will)----but, I believe, with all my heart, that God sent his angels to comfort those passengers' loved ones.
It's similar, IMO, to when a dad gives his son instructions for how he wants his son to behave when they go-out to a restaurant, for instance, and tells his son if he's good, he'll buy him a toy. The child was given a CHOICE----do GOOD, and get a toy----OR, do bad, and suffer the consequences. The child chooses to not follow his father's instructions. Now, is the father gonna be hurt because his son didn't do what he asked him to do? Yes. Is the father going to disown the son for not following his instructions? No. Is the father going to forgive his son? Yes. Is the father going to give the son another chance? Yes----again, and again, and again!!
Now, lets take Andreas Lubitz as an example----God couldn't prevent him from killing all those people, because God promised us we would be able to make our own CHOICES (free will)----but, I believe, with all my heart, that God sent his angels to comfort those passengers' loved ones.
The whole 'free will' argument is really poor at explaining why the world is so flawed. Does my free will cause earthquakes, does my freewill cause cancer? bone cancer in infants? does my free will cause human specific parasites. Does my free will cause animals to have to eat other animals to survive? The fact is the world has been flawed for billions of years before man, with his free will, even existed. Man came into a broken world, our free will didn't create it.
He favors evil and is evil himself!
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Campin_Cat wrote:
I believe God gave us "free-will"----He gave us the power of CHOICE, by giving us the capability to do good or evil,...........................................
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Congrats, y'all can repeat what your pastor/priest says on Sunday



Let's pick an easy one, k?
First, prove that God is a male god.
Mark, get set, GO

PS it is nothing personal against you Campin Cat as I would say this to any believer
slave wrote:
Campin_Cat wrote:
I believe God gave us "free-will"----He gave us the power of CHOICE, by giving us the capability to do good or evil,...........................................
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Congrats, y'all can repeat what your pastor/priest says on Sunday



Let's pick an easy one, k?
First, prove that God is a male god.
Mark, get set, GO

PS it is nothing personal against you Campin Cat as I would say this to any believer
God is the masculine while Goddess is the feminine.
God/Goddess doesn't have a gender.
I don't go to church, maybe I should, but then they might tell me to hate homosexuals or something.
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slave wrote:
Campin_Cat wrote:
I believe God gave us "free-will"----He gave us the power of CHOICE, by giving us the capability to do good or evil,...........................................
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Congrats, y'all can repeat what your pastor/priest says on Sunday



Let's pick an easy one, k?
First, prove that God is a male god.
Mark, get set, GO

PS it is nothing personal against you Campin Cat as I would say this to any believer
God is the masculine while Goddess is the feminine.
God/Goddess doesn't have a gender.
I don't go to church, maybe I should, but then they might tell me to hate homosexuals or something.
Not according to the Xtians which is who I am addressing.
To them god is always and only a HE.
I request that they prove this to be a fact, and the response is predictably,........................crickets..........................

Campin_Cat wrote:
I believe God gave us "free-will"----He gave us the power of CHOICE, by giving us the capability to do good or evil, and He promised us Heaven, if we do good.
If it comes with conditions, is it really a choice?
It's like saying to a desperate homeless person, "do xxx and I'll let you live with me forever, but do xxx and I'll never help you," keeping in mind that you own the only home in existence.