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24 Apr 2015, 6:08 pm
^more to the point a Sado-Masochist. There are no objective morals, in all the arguments I have seen no-one has provided a scintilla of evidence supporting the idea. This is why we have Laws, a Judiciary and Police. It is also why morals constantly change over time.
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25 Apr 2015, 7:27 pm
Iamaparakeet wrote:
I don't think it matters whether one calls themselves that or not, the meaning is still clear regardless.
Really? So if I am a sadomasochist and I truly enjoy being sexually humiliated, sexual degraded, or possibly enjoy being raped, then I should do that to others? I think that plan would put me in jail.
I think a philosophy of "treat others as they'd like to be treated" is a better idea.
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25 Apr 2015, 7:34 pm
Not too mention that Jesus isn't even original in this teaching. He is just regurgitating what others have said before him.
"What you do not wish upon yourself, extend not to others." — Confucius (ca. 551–479 BCE) "What is hateful to you, do not to your fellow man." — Hillel (ca. 50 BCE-10 CE) " For one would do for others as one would do for oneself." – Mozi (470 BC – ca. 391 BC)
I don't think it matters whether one calls themselves that or not, the meaning is still clear regardless.
Really? So if I am a sadomasochist and I truly enjoy being sexually humiliated, sexual degraded, or possibly enjoy being raped, then I should do that to others? I think that plan would put me in jail.
I think a philosophy of "treat others as they'd like to be treated" is a better idea.
Well, that's what he means by "the meaning is still clear regardless." An exception to the rule doesn't disprove a proverb.
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06 May 2015, 11:40 am
How many of us - particularly Wrong Planeteers - have NOT noticed that if I do to Sherry those things I would like Sherry to do to me I offend, if I avoid doing to Sherry what I would hate to have done to me I cause pain?
It helps to be conscious of and gratedul for mystery.
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06 May 2015, 12:36 pm
Quote:
"Matthew 7:12"
"So whatever it is that you would wish for others to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets."
Well, OH GOD, as with everything in life and words; NO THING IS BLACK AND WHITE.
COMMON sense dictates to use empathy IF ONE HAS IT;
both cognitive and affective empathy;
to gauge the discomfort of others before going on about what one is on about;
And guess what; no matter what; discomfort happens; as that's what challenge and adaptation is all about; discomfort, CHALLENGE and CHANGE to just frigging SURVIVE FOR NOW.
And sure, if ya can do it all the time in the bliss of heaven now, like me; AND@least a few others; that the real gnostic Jesus; Lao TZU; Buddha; and the mythical Krishna speaks to; that's kool too; but THAT takes a lifetime of extreme practice and gaining real FEELING knowledge FROM GOD GIVEN innate instinct and intuition from WITHIN to get to THIS PLACE TOO; like a Shaolin Monk, OR whomever JUST MAKES THE REAL GRADE OF THAT SCHOOL OF REAL LIFE NOW.
SO YEAH; Pollyanna's who do not HAVE A GRIP ON HOW THE DARK AND LIGHT OF LIGHT AND DARK MIX TO MAKE what is, efficient AS IS;
screw up in black and white words and even metaphors too, in 3500 year-old books or so... or WHATEVER;
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS; WHOMEVER SURVIVES AT THE END AND BEGINNING OF NOW IN BLISS IS THE WINNER IN THiSLIfE!orHERS,
@LEAST FOR NOW AND THAT'S ALL THERE IS THAT'S PROVEN, SO why not JUST DO THAT; like Nike and 'Mike' says for NOW.
And if ya like; like Miley, Beyonce, AND 'KALI' says, with tHEIR tongue sticking OUT; ya can 'JUST' CALL ALL OF THAT; THE NEW AGE ILLUMINATI GOSPEL OF FRIGGING COMMON SENSE, OF MIND AND BODY BALANCE; FOR NOW AT LEAST.
AND yAH WAy; ya can consult widely distributed ILLUMINATI GOSPEL, verse '7:11', on JUST HOW to do That!..
WITH WINKS OR NOT..
YA know, freedom is a wonderful thing; the kind of freedom of expression 'we' have in the U.S.; wHere the naysayer CYNICS of life, who are VERY much OFTEN NOT just atheists; but so-called anti-Christ Christians, too ARE lost, are LOST; and 'we' 'NEW REAL DEAL Christians' of the 'past'; can joke around all we want about THIS in attempts to help those who ARE lost; as we get it REAL WELL in real LIFE NOW; and people can just ignore us or whatever; but they are too ignorant to crucify us, even if they CAN figure out what 'WE' IN THE 'real know' of FEELING life in mind and body balance are ALL ON about. Anyway, as always; live and learn and survive, and proSper in potential HEAVEN of NOW or JUST GO TO THAT OTHER PLACE; OR IN BETWEEN PURGATORY, AS THAT PART IS UP TO YOU; WHOMEVER YOU ARE IN THIS great game of life sponsored BY the god OF NATURE; AND GOD'S helping 'little soldiers'; who truly wanna guide ya, on A WAY THAT FRIGGING WORKS.
'WE' ARE 'KILLING;
EVERY SECOND OF 'IT';
with or without 'you ALL;
NOW, IN 'CRISP FRESH' BLISS;
the rest of THAT is up to Y'ALL..
Quote:
"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the law, love under will."
Now that one is by the so-called wickedest man in the world; who regularly STICKS his tongue out at anti-christ Christians through poetry and other misCHIEF deeds to get the attention of others for HIS NEW AGE PHILOSOPHIES THAT are truly very influential still in the halls of HOLLYWOOD WhERE PROPHETS WRITE ON THE STUDIOS WALLS OF CONCERT HALLS, like the great Rock and ROLL band 'RUSH' and OMG SO many others too!
Oh yeah; that dude's name is Aleister Crowley, a real piece of work if you will, of a human being.
And it makes a whole LOT MORE SENSE TO CONSIDER THE EMOTION OF UNCONDITIONAL LOVE WHEN ONE IS DOING WHATEVER THE HELL THEY ARE ALL ON ABOUT DOING, WITH THEIR OWN WILLS, AS TO NOT HARM OTHERS BY FULLY TOWING AND UTILIZING COGNITIVE AND AFFECTIVE EMPATHY TO MAKE THE CORRECT EMOTIONAL DECISIONS NOT TO HARM OTHERS IN LIFE, WHEN DOING WHATEVER THE RELATIVE FREE WILL HELL ONE WANTS TOO IN REAL LIFE ACTION FOR NOW; HOWEVER THAT COMES..