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11 May 2015, 8:08 pm

denpajin wrote:
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He is saying people think black people are criminals because black people are criminals. He's just dancing around a fairly straightforward racist argument.


Why do you keep saying racism as it's the biggest of all evils? The statistics he gave you showed that blacks in America tend to be arrested more than whites do (if you think 12% doing 30% of the crimes is the result of racism within the police, how come whites are shot by police more often than blacks?), and if we can infer from the statistics that the blacks in the USA are more prone to crime, then maybe we should ask ourselves what the problem is with blacks that causes this problem? I for one, think it is not racism within the system, I think it is a culture of crime within the black community of the USA.

If racial profiling will help reduce crime rates, who are we to deny this? Maybe it could work.

They've been profiling for decades and it's only gotten us meaningless statistics that feed racist comments and attitudes...



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12 May 2015, 12:29 am

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The disparity in conviction rates for violent crimes between the major races in America is too large to be explained by sampling error, particularly wrt. murder. I believe it is largely or entirely explained by sociological factors (such as the relative poverty and poor education of African Americans).

I do not think AspieUtah's use of statistics was appropriate for the reasons starkid raises. However, if you feel his motive for raising that point was subconscious racism as a result of spending decades living in a profoundly racist society, I don't think it is appropriate to bluntly call him or his argument racist. Point out the flaws in his argument rather than just attacking it.

I am not going to bite my tongue if somebody is perpetuating racism. It might not be polite, but neither is supporting racism or making racist arguments.


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12 May 2015, 2:50 am

beneficii wrote:
So basically, according to denpajin, if a black dude is walking down the street, we need to call the cops.

If that wasn't his point, then he needs to make another thread, because the context of this thread is crap like calling the cops on black dudes walking down the street.


Haha, no, now you're putting words in my mouth, silly! I'm just saying, maybe there is a reason to be more suspicious of black people in general than white people in general! I mean, numbers can't lie, can they? :3



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12 May 2015, 2:51 am

dionysian wrote:
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The disparity in conviction rates for violent crimes between the major races in America is too large to be explained by sampling error, particularly wrt. murder. I believe it is largely or entirely explained by sociological factors (such as the relative poverty and poor education of African Americans).

I do not think AspieUtah's use of statistics was appropriate for the reasons starkid raises. However, if you feel his motive for raising that point was subconscious racism as a result of spending decades living in a profoundly racist society, I don't think it is appropriate to bluntly call him or his argument racist. Point out the flaws in his argument rather than just attacking it.

I am not going to bite my tongue if somebody is perpetuating racism. It might not be polite, but neither is supporting racism or making racist arguments.


What if racism is right? What if certain groups of people are more prone to violence and crime than others? Would you be willing to defend this point of view even if all statistics say otherwise?



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12 May 2015, 8:16 am

denpajin wrote:
beneficii wrote:
So basically, according to denpajin, if a black dude is walking down the street, we need to call the cops.

If that wasn't his point, then he needs to make another thread, because the context of this thread is crap like calling the cops on black dudes walking down the street.


Haha, no, now you're putting words in my mouth, silly! I'm just saying, maybe there is a reason to be more suspicious of black people in general than white people in general! I mean, numbers can't lie, can they? :3


In this thread, I will not engage you on this.


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12 May 2015, 8:22 am

More from that Reddit thread:

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Last weekend, I was dispatched to a "suspicious activity" where the caller complained of a black male in an older model brown sedan backing into every driveway in the neighborhood. I found him and immediately saw what he was doing- delivering phonebooks. His car was loaded with 'em. Half-million dollar houses and the neighbors freak out because they think a black man driving an old whip around in their cookie cutter neighborhood is "suspicious" and "out of place." "Did somebody call?" I said yes and apologized to him. Poor guy was just doing his job, and from his reaction, it sounded like that wasn't the first time he'd been called on.


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Last summer I was dispatched to a call of a "van full of illegals" who drove by a guy's trailer. After advising my dispatcher that this was not a crime I was informed that the complaintant thought they were casing the house. I actually found the van driving by the house, again and pulled it over. It was a van full of Aussies practicing for a license exam. They work as camp councelors locally. So much for evil Hispanics.


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Dispatch: We've got a report of Susp subject at 123 Blue street which is complaint's neighbor's house. Come advised a car was sitting in front of house for ten minutes then neighbor came out of house and got into car with individual and left.

Me: 10-4 radio sounds like he's getting a lift but I'll check with the complaint.


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12 May 2015, 9:44 am

denpajin wrote:
dionysian wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
The disparity in conviction rates for violent crimes between the major races in America is too large to be explained by sampling error, particularly wrt. murder. I believe it is largely or entirely explained by sociological factors (such as the relative poverty and poor education of African Americans).

I do not think AspieUtah's use of statistics was appropriate for the reasons starkid raises. However, if you feel his motive for raising that point was subconscious racism as a result of spending decades living in a profoundly racist society, I don't think it is appropriate to bluntly call him or his argument racist. Point out the flaws in his argument rather than just attacking it.

I am not going to bite my tongue if somebody is perpetuating racism. It might not be polite, but neither is supporting racism or making racist arguments.


What if racism is right? What if certain groups of people are more prone to violence and crime than others? Would you be willing to defend this point of view even if all statistics say otherwise?


How does that still justify marginalizing people who have done nothing wrong? Even if what you are saying was true (that blacks are more predisposed to violence, rather than that they are more likely to be arrested and prosecuted than whites), the fact remains, not every black is guilty of doing something wrong. Is it right to hold someone under suspicion for nothing other than for belonging to a certain group of people?
Mind if I ask what part of the country you're from?


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15 May 2015, 4:37 am

denpajin wrote:
beneficii wrote:
So basically, according to denpajin, if a black dude is walking down the street, we need to call the cops.

If that wasn't his point, then he needs to make another thread, because the context of this thread is crap like calling the cops on black dudes walking down the street.


Haha, no, now you're putting words in my mouth, silly! I'm just saying, maybe there is a reason to be more suspicious of black people in general than white people in general! I mean, numbers can't lie, can they? :3


Please don't engage in name calling. Post within the forum rules.



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15 May 2015, 2:44 pm

Booyakasha wrote:
denpajin wrote:
beneficii wrote:
So basically, according to denpajin, if a black dude is walking down the street, we need to call the cops.

If that wasn't his point, then he needs to make another thread, because the context of this thread is crap like calling the cops on black dudes walking down the street.


Haha, no, now you're putting words in my mouth, silly! I'm just saying, maybe there is a reason to be more suspicious of black people in general than white people in general! I mean, numbers can't lie, can they? :3


Please don't engage in name calling. Post within the forum rules.



What name calling? Is saying silly name calling?


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15 May 2015, 3:54 pm

denpajin wrote:
What if racism is right? What if certain groups of people are more prone to violence and crime than others? Would you be willing to defend this point of view even if all statistics say otherwise?
what if there's a teapot orbiting the moon?

statistics can be skewed in a bunch of ways, especially when someone is cherrypicking data to prove a point.



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15 May 2015, 6:51 pm

Every person in the United States is somewhat racist. I think that every white person in this country if they were driving through a black neighborhood would feel a little uneasy. Every black person who sees a white police officer probably will think "What does he want? I wonder if he is going to shoot me now?"