Emotionalism...the bane of the Autistic...

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This is true; and proven by science. Emotions and ethics are most definitely directly related.

Some psychopathic leaning folks torture small animals, as they cannot feel affective empathy for the emotional discomfort and pain of these animals, and the same often applies to all other humans and the rest of nature too.

And sadly, folks who seek power to literally fill a whole in their heart that can never be filled with pro-social GREAT FEELING AFFECTIVE EMPATHY associated emotions, are the ones who often run the world; in measure of politicians, clergy, and Corporate CEO's. They seek to fill a soul, a heart, and a spirit; that truly will never be fully consoled by others or comfortable within, by the power of one's own ability to empathize in comfort and freedom of simply loving the experience of existence.

And to be clear this is just a general statement; mileage does vary between human being that is always a spectrum of every possible combination between black and white generalities..

But I for one; will be cautious with anyone who tortures animals and shows no compassion for the rest of nature; other than themselves, and little more than that; if even self, at all.

That's the part I disagree with and let me explain why. Now, when Nazis went into parts of Eastern Europe and executed groups of Jews, I agree, it could be considered crimes against humanity with emotion fueling them. However, once various KZ were established, with a few converted to death camps, it became far more systemized and detached. At first, dissidents such as communists, those considered to be deviants by the party, and foreigners were placed in KZ.
Eventually, Jews made up the majority of inhabitants at the death camps but they were not rounded up from the cattle cars and taken to the gas chambers. The Nazis would pick through the crowds, find the men that were strong and capable and work them to death in factories. It was death by labor. The others were taken to the gas chamber. Their belongings and even intimate items such as teeth with gold fillings and hair were confiscated to be redistributed. It was a system, you see. It wasn't emotional. They wanted to harvest what they could, destroy what they didn't feel was useful to the state. Isn't it plain to see how it became highly systemized? There were reasons Jewish women and children were originally put to death in the chambers. The children were too small and considered frail to work. The women simply could not breed German babies. It's as simple as that. This is how the Nazis thought. Very detached with little regard to individuals. If you were a German you were needed for breeding more Germans. Everyone else was worthless because they couldn't breed Germans. That was the bottom line for them.

Eventually, the Jews became, in the eyes of the Nazis, objects to exploit and harvest. Even the ones they executed in the chambers a few moments after they arrived had their belongings, hair, eyeglasses and teeth harvested to be sent out to the German populous. The Germans confiscated other items such as bank accounts and property. It was much more than a hatred of Jews. It was systemized theivery, exploitation and eventual murder and it became a micro industry within the Reich, source of income. So it was so much more than just hatred. Once the Jews were gone, the Nazis had plans to do the same thing to Eastern Europe. They were planning on continuing the same system just on a different ethnic group and once they had exhausted every "resource", they would have either had to conquer new land with new people to enslave and eventually kill or they would have turned on segments of the German population but it would have continued as long as the Nazis were there because they saw it as a way to create windfall profits.

Nothing better to enhance social status with acquaintances than throwing a dinner party showing off your bio food and fair trade wines or coffee and not to forget chocolate. Which in itself will become a luxury for the rich soon enough http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle ... lting-away and the fair trade farmers will themselves rise a few steps in the socio economic local demographic... let's hope they pay decent wages to THEIR workers ...

Again, it's all irrelevant, it was started by emotion, not logic. Logic may have been employed at a latter point but it didn't create the situation, it merely functioned inside of it. Let's put it this way: regardless of how the situation progressed at the heart of it was hatred for other ethnic groups, hatred is an emotion. Had German culture not had the emotion in the first place anything beyond that point would be moot because there wouldn't be a holocaust without the hatred.

It isn't irrelevant to the people who lost everything because of the Nazis. It's not just an either/or situation. There were elements of emotion and elements of logic just like with everything else in life but once a system does develop, it's plain to see how it can only serve to reinforce a bad situation and make it more intense and more widespread once the realization is made profits can be made.

Hate created the holocaust, logic made it more efficient. Logic didn't create that scenario, had the Nazi's been thinking logically from the start they would have integrated the Jews into their system rather than wipe them out-- subjugating a population and committing genocide merely takes away working bodies and is costly, even if you do take their possessions. The Jews also had expertise in a variety of skills the nazis sorely needed: financial expertise, sciences, trade, etc. All these areas began crumbling for the Germans in the middle of the war.

edit: the holocaust is more an example of people trying to wrap logic around emotional decisions than coming to logical conclusions on their own.

Why would the emotion be one that is so selfish and stupid? Why can the emotion not be one of compassion and from a wish for the world to be better for animals and humans?

Research show that emotions are essential in the process of decision making.
http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Nasir_Naqvi/publication/228449030_The_Role_of_Emotion_in_Decision_Making_A_Cognitive_Neuroscience_Perspective/links/00b4952f8de79aa59b000000.pdf

While Hitler certainly used emotions to manipulate germans in killing Jews and other groups seen as "undesirable", emotions also brought some peoples to risk their lives to protect the peoples persecuted by Nazis.

Because as an American male I've been taught that my only emotional attachment should be greed. Any deviance of that approach and I get invalidated. American females are allowed more emotions, but they've still been taught that greed is the essential emotion to pursue and in public those other emotions should be concealed. This is why logic is a much more appealing approach to a lot of situations: when you pattern your behavior on logic there's a point to the behavior, with emotions many times they're just random taught behaviors that require no point, just "follow the emotion" as they say. If I remember correctly you're from a nordic country (go hockey! huge Nicklas Lidstrom fan myself), and you probably don't have a clue how much greed and self interest is pushed in this country. It's more acceptable to say "I just bought a giant gas guzzlin' pickup truck to tear up some hills next time I go off-roading" than it is to say, "I bought a small car with excellent gas mileage to help curb my carbon footprint." In fact in some areas of this country if you're a male and you go with the second statement you're likely to get assaulted sometime before the conversation is over.

While it's popular to say that the Nazis were a movement of the proletariat, the fact is they mostly appealed to middle class people(!). In fact, the very first group to oppose the Nazis - and who paid dearly for it - were the labor unions, who Hitler outlawed one day after granting workers Labor Day. In fact, Hitler's secret partners in his rise to power were Germany's upper echelon in the military/industrial complex, who foolishly thought they could control Hitler. But because Hitler promised to take care of the unions, Social Democrats, and communists for them, they made a deal with the Devil, then found themselves taking orders from Hitler, all to keep German workers powerless and poor.
As for Hitler's bizarre gestures and motions while delivering speeches: I recall seeing a documentary on the Nazis which maintained that Hitler had been friendly with a stage magician who taught him how to look bigger and draw attention to himself with wild gesturing while before enormous crowds. Back in my college days, I had taken a Modern German History class, in which our professor maintained that Hitler drew so many people to him because his raving and crazy gestures were so very Un-German, and so was very much a novelty. In fact, prior to coming to power, many Germans considered Hitler's behavior before large crowds in public to be crazy and a joke.

Are you sure you aren't describing Bernie Sanders?

I've heard that about him trying to make a spectacle of himself before a crowd but I have also heard he had to be the strict, stern, demanding father figure to the German people because culturally they were raised to respect such a figure so he had to yell at them like an angry father yelling at his disobedient children. Even though it seems alien to American culture especially the modern one, it was part of the German mindset and there was nothing outlandish about it. Not everyone fell for it though. The ones who didn't were simply done away with.

I'm absolutely positive I'm not. While Bernie has a snow ball's chance in hell of getting elected, I must say, I see nothing wrong with his message. By the way, he'd be the bane of the German military/industrial complex which had helped behind the scenes to put Hitler in power.

No people with autism aren't immune to emotion and caring about emotional needs....nor do they always make decision based on reason vs. emotion. Basically no we aren't smarter and are also influenced by emotion....so no not really the bane of autism.

Though sometimes people on the spectrum could take it to the other extreme thinking they have all the facts and know all there is to know about reality.....which is just as dangerous a way to think as being satisfied to live in ignorant bliss whilst feeling pleasant emotions while the world around you is miserable for instance. I have not heard of any substantial proof/evidence that people with autism in general think any more logically than most people...we do however have a tendency to analylize things a lot, are able to remember a lot of facts and can recite a lot of information which can give us an appearance of being very logical...but not sure it actually implies people with autism are more logical than NTs when it really comes down to it.

your attempts at convincing the forum you only care about yourself and thus would buy the cheapest of cheap because all you care about is you...so much you'd make a point to not buy something more ecological really aren't showing a lack of human emotion on your part.