All of the Candidates for 2016 are mediocre or worse.

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29 Sep 2015, 5:10 pm

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But I can tell you the only 3 who I'd elect just because they are the only rational ones. They have decent plans.

1. Ben Carson (I support him 100%)
2. Rand Paul (I used to support him just as much as Dr. Carson, but he had to go to Haiti, and I don't think that favored him)
3. Chris Christie (My old favorite, the only reason why he's nearly last is because Trump stole his followers away, because he made being blunt increase tenfold.)

Did you just said that Ben Carson is rational!?



Maybe you should stop watching MSN on a regular basis if that fact surprises you.

Ben Carson has the right ideas, like focusing on Education and Healthcare.

At least he won't make another racial war and wreck the economy like a certain Bernie Sanders would, because all of his followers and including him are delusional if they think they can get any of what he's campaigning for accomplished and with the right results.


What exactly do you base this on lol do you feel the current status quo is working? The trickle down economics? At least he is willing to try and do something different rather than the same old patching up a broken system that basically just serves the wealthy elite. At least the way I see it....I also don't see the republicans coming up with a lot of ideas to address the issues. What defund planned parenthood, undo/strip the current health laws yet it doesn't appear they have an idea for an effective replacement system, undo the legalization of gay marrige, cut funding for things like food stamps, disability income and the social safety network in general ect.....seems like they just want to backtrack not progress.


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29 Sep 2015, 5:11 pm

Ben Carson is an idiot, he believes vaccines cause autism and that atheists are schizophrenic. Someone with those opinions (and he's a goddamned neurosurgeon at that) should not be running for office, period.

I hope Bernie wins , as he seems like a nice guy and actually has positions I agree on. The conservatives in the States are a joke as usual, just waiting for the wheels of the clown car to fall off at this point.



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30 Sep 2015, 6:17 am

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Ben Carson is an idiot, he believes vaccines cause autism

No he doesn't. He explicitly thinks the opposite and called Donald Trump out for his views on the matter. He did, however, say that he thought vaccines should be spread out more, but offered no justification for that, showing that he's content to pander to positions which aren't supported by science.

There are many good reasons to consider Ben Carson an unsuitable candidate for the Presidency - creationist and climate change denier? Opposed to abortion? Likens homosexuality to paedophilia? Supporting Netanyahu? Stop hiring public sector workers for five years? Military use of torture? - but his stance on autism, at present, is not one of them.



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30 Sep 2015, 6:54 am

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Ben Carson is an idiot, he believes vaccines cause autism

No he doesn't. He explicitly thinks the opposite and called Donald Trump out for his views on the matter. He did, however, say that he thought vaccines should be spread out more, but offered no justification for that, showing that he's content to pander to positions which aren't supported by science.

There are many good reasons to consider Ben Carson an unsuitable candidate for the Presidency - creationist and climate change denier? Opposed to abortion? Likens homosexuality to paedophilia? Supporting Netanyahu? Stop hiring public sector workers for five years? Military use of torture? - but his stance on autism, at present, is not one of them.


Most of that is a neccessary part of the republican platform if they don't put it in, chances are they won't get the nomination. The argument for homosexuality is that they should be able to love whomever they want, I think that same argument can be used for pedophilia. The rest like climate change and the stop hiring public workers is due to skewed media.

Military use of torture is necessary but should be regulated so that only enemy soldiers be tortured.


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30 Sep 2015, 10:00 am

Chakravartin wrote:
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Ben Carson is an idiot, he believes vaccines cause autism

No he doesn't. He explicitly thinks the opposite and called Donald Trump out for his views on the matter. He did, however, say that he thought vaccines should be spread out more, but offered no justification for that, showing that he's content to pander to positions which aren't supported by science.

There are many good reasons to consider Ben Carson an unsuitable candidate for the Presidency - creationist and climate change denier? Opposed to abortion? Likens homosexuality to paedophilia? Supporting Netanyahu? Stop hiring public sector workers for five years? Military use of torture? - but his stance on autism, at present, is not one of them.


Most of that is a neccessary part of the republican platform if they don't put it in, chances are they won't get the nomination. The argument for homosexuality is that they should be able to love whomever they want, I think that same argument can be used for pedophilia. The rest like climate change and the stop hiring public workers is due to skewed media.

Military use of torture is necessary but should be regulated so that only enemy soldiers be tortured.

I fully support a moratorium on the hiring of 'civil servants'. We need to make the ones we have actually work like we have to in the private sector. How many times have you gone into a public office and seen those turkeys standing around and B.S.ing rather than helping the people who pay their wages? Or, driving down a road, and seen road workers leaning on shovels? All we need to do is to enact a real civil service reform.
And as far as Bernie Sanders goes, all he has to offer is pie-in-the-sky. As the old song goes " We'll all be drinking that free Bubble-up and eating that rainbow stew".
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30 Sep 2015, 10:17 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
Chakravartin wrote:
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But I can tell you the only 3 who I'd elect just because they are the only rational ones. They have decent plans.

1. Ben Carson (I support him 100%)
2. Rand Paul (I used to support him just as much as Dr. Carson, but he had to go to Haiti, and I don't think that favored him)
3. Chris Christie (My old favorite, the only reason why he's nearly last is because Trump stole his followers away, because he made being blunt increase tenfold.)

Did you just said that Ben Carson is rational!?



Maybe you should stop watching MSN on a regular basis if that fact surprises you.

Ben Carson has the right ideas, like focusing on Education and Healthcare.

At least he won't make another racial war and wreck the economy like a certain Bernie Sanders would, because all of his followers and including him are delusional if they think they can get any of what he's campaigning for accomplished and with the right results.


What exactly do you base this on lol do you feel the current status quo is working? The trickle down economics? At least he is willing to try and do something different rather than the same old patching up a broken system that basically just serves the wealthy elite. At least the way I see it....I also don't see the republicans coming up with a lot of ideas to address the issues. What defund planned parenthood, undo/strip the current health laws yet it doesn't appear they have an idea for an effective replacement system, undo the legalization of gay marrige, cut funding for things like food stamps, disability income and the social safety network in general ect.....seems like they just want to backtrack not progress.



Stereotyping republicans, I see. Partisan politics is wrong any how, at least I don't vote per party, I vote per individual.

Bernie Sanders wants progress just without the democratic process, he wants to circumvent the system, and executives are left with meager power, so how's he going to do it? Congress is mired in corruption, I want to see a delusional socialist like Bernie try to change that, actually, no he won't. Until you start putting term limits on Congressmen, their power will still be unchallenged. Bernie hasn't said that, Rand Paul has.


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30 Sep 2015, 10:31 am

The problem with term limit laws is that the politicians circumvent them. We have passed two such laws here in California, and they have changed nothing. And even if you can make term limits stick, the career politicians can still influence politics through PACs, lobbying, etc. We can't win.


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30 Sep 2015, 10:47 am

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The problem with term limit laws is that the politicians circumvent them. We have passed two such laws here in California, and they have changed nothing. And even if you can make term limits stick, the career politicians can still influence politics through PACs, lobbying, etc. We can't win.


Ever heard of campaign finance laws?

I think Bernie is the one who said it, but we can't have campaign finance laws without the term limits because you're just eliminating half of the problem or less.

So yeah we're pretty much screwed in modern terms, but maybe in the future when maybe someone else other than these mediocre politicians will step up to the plate.


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01 Oct 2015, 4:07 pm

I think the very fact that a bafoon like Trump is running(and winning) is all the evidence necessary to know all the candidates aren't too good.



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01 Oct 2015, 5:19 pm

You better take the "socialist" out of your signature, because you are definitely not one if you consider Rand Paul or Chris Christie to be rational people.

Personally, I am a fan of Zoltan Istvan, but in case Zoltan doesn't get close, then I would rather see Bernie than anyone the Republicans have to offer.



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01 Oct 2015, 9:17 pm

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You better take the "socialist" out of your signature, because you are definitely not one if you consider Rand Paul or Chris Christie to be rational people.

Personally, I am a fan of Zoltan Istvan, but in case Zoltan doesn't get close, then I would rather see Bernie than anyone the Republicans have to offer.


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02 Oct 2015, 9:31 am

Hey dumbass. Zoltan Istvan is an individual. Plus you seem to be a bigot.



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02 Oct 2015, 11:03 am

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I think the very fact that a bafoon like Trump is running(and winning) is all the evidence necessary to know all the candidates aren't too good.

It still seems to me that Trump's poll numbers reflect more of a disgust with Washington's business-as-usual crap than any real support for him.


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02 Oct 2015, 11:33 am

But this was supposed to be the greatest deepest field of all time? Candidates don't make elections when they do not represent the people. The GOP brand is a joke, something most real people hold in total disgust and only vote with holding their nose.

I'd vote for Rand Paul I guess but he is not his father and isn't any more electable for it, I wish Ron was younger and could of run again since the frustration with politics as usual is starting to boil over and maybe he could of tapped into it even more than 2012 when the media pulled out all stops to prevent him from winning the Iowa Caucus.

I like Trump and Sanders in so much that they'll totally flip the political order and maybe bring politics back to the people(dumb as you think they may be) rather than K-Street. Both have some good ideas and some very bad ideas which when compared to the mainstream is pretty good. Also who wouldn't want to see this general election match up? It would be hard to imagine this is real life hahaha.

Biden is more dangerous in Hillary, Hillary is sinking fast and would be easy to beat in a general election based on these scandals and her toxic personality. Put her on stage with anyone and she will come out less liked, why do you think the Democrats restricted the amount of debates so much? Democrats mostly support Hillary out of blind loyalty and the idea that she is the only viable candidate. Biden is a likable guy, has tremendous personal story, but has been involved in pretty every awful thing our government has done over the last 40 years. This is the guy who essentially wrote the PATRIOT Act. Biden does however have his problem with gaffes and being considered kind of a joke in ways but he's an articulate guy most of the time.

I'm thinking that if the GOP and Democrats both nominate populist candidate that we'll probably get some third party fascist to "save the day" like Michael Bloomberg. God help us but at least it will be interesting.



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02 Oct 2015, 11:34 am

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Hey dumbass. Zoltan Istvan is an individual. Plus you seem to be a bigot.



Says the one who outright implied he's never voting Republican, sure thing hypocrite.


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02 Oct 2015, 11:38 am

Chakravartin wrote:
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Hey dumbass. Zoltan Istvan is an individual. Plus you seem to be a bigot.



Says the one who outright implied he's never voting Republican, sure thing hypocrite.

Now children, play nice. You know that you can disagree with another person's opinions without getting nasty. I find that a discussion of politics with someone of the opposing view can be enriching if you respect each others' viewpoint.


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