Anti-Zionism is anti-semitism

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It is is you that making that argument thought

Self determination is relevant to modern civilizations not ancient ones. Ancient Judasism was an offshoot Canaanite culture which was basically the whole levant. Why give one ancient culture any more relevance than any of the other that existed.

There are Sumerians, Babylonians, Mesopotamians, Assyrians, the list goes on and on.

Also your avatar. I hate to break it to you but the common origin of Jews is not substantiated by genetics. Ethiopian Jews are not the lost Dan tribe, it likely there were European converts too.

Also Arabs being from Arabia, isn't strictly accurate. Arab culture is from Arabia, not all Arabs are.

Levantine Arabs are more Semitic than most of the Jews in Israel, they are closer related to the Israelites. It is also quite likely that some of them had Jewish ancestors. Yemenite Jews are Semitic as are some others.

Proof, please.

I'm told that it's terribly difficult to tamper with olive groves - they are tricky things, indeed.



If you're on about Ashkenazim, they are indigenous to the Middle East. See here.

I would have thought that was obvious - if they were able to retake their ancestral homes, I would support them too. Did the other ancient cultures have a continuous presence in the land that they are from?

I'm not sure why, but this inspired me to create a musical interlude:

They didn't have a continuous presence.

"If you're on about Ashkenazim, they are indigenous to the Middle East."

I know, I am one. And I don't care what happened 2,000 years ago, it doesn't count.

And what, pray tell, do you have to say about THIS:






This happened in Beit Omar, a palestinian village near Hebron, back in 2013.

Its hard to understand what people are saying in these articles, discussions, etc. If the meaning of the words used is debated and can vary then you are never quite sure what they mean. Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism seem hopelessly compromised as words and best left for squabblers to gnaw over.

When referring to the state, Israel should be used, citizens of the state are Israeli.
When referring to the ethnic group, Hebrew is closest to accurate. And that includes Ashkenazi .
When referring to the religion, Judaism, its followers Jewish.

Semitic/Semites originally meant people who spoke related languages (Arabs, Jews, Syrians) in the Semitic group.
Zion was the name of a biblical era fortress located in what is present day Jerusalem.

^ Thank you.

Interesting.

"Jews" are commonly thought of (by both Jews, and Gentiles) as "both a religion, and as an ethnic group".

Never heard of it parsed that way before- that "Hebrew" should be used for them as an ethnic group, and "Jew" for them as a religion,but it does make a certain kinda sense. The ancient tribe known to their bronze age neighbors as the "Hibiru" became the "Hebrews", and spoke the Hebrew language, and used the Hebrew alphabet. At a certain point their kingdom split into "Israel" ,and "Judah". The citizens of the later were called "Jews". But citizens of both kingdoms worshipped the God of Abraham and Moses.

When the term "antisemitism" was invented by a certain German thinker in the 19th Century it was to clear things up, but in the subsequent two centuries it caused confusion.

Hatred of Jews in Europe started at least as far back as the Nine hundreds AD, but usually that hatred was about religion, and not about blood. But in the Nineteenth Century there was a rise of nationalism and secularism,and hatred of Jews was often about blood as well as about faith. So the older German term "Jew hatred" was replaced by the new term "antisemitism" to denote hatred that could be racial rather than religion based.

Semites (the children of Shem in the Bible) are a large ethnolinguist group who cover much of the middle east and north africa. They include the ancient Akkadians, Assyrians, Phonecians, Hyksos,Hebrews, and the modern Arabs, and the modern Jews. The term "Semite" however does NOT include certain other Middle Eastern groups like the Turks, Kurds, Armenians, or Iranians. They are parts of other ethnolinguist groups.

In modern Europe (and in the US) there are Arab immigrants. And Americans who hate Jews often also hate Arabs. So those bigots would be consistent "antisemites". But when you discuss the conflict between Arabs and Jews in the Middle East (or between both minorities in Europe) you cant use the word "antisemitism" because both parties are "Semites". Because of that the term "Antisemitism" now causes more confusion that it eliminates. So I guess someone should invent a new term.

That's a birdwalk. Pretty sure people know EXACTLY what I'm talking about here and I've already explained it. Anti-Zionism = the belief that Israel has no right to exist and should be abrogated. You're being pedantic to beat around the bush and avoid the real issue that I'm trying to address.

Zionism is the belief that there should be a state just for Jews, with Jewish issues the predominant concern. This constitutes a theocracy, which I oppose, and obviously violates the rights of everyone who isn't a Jew.

Why the hell do I have to comment on one stupid person? It's designed to piss Jews off. Someone is unhappy about Israel. Get over it.

No one uses Hebrew for the ethnicity. It's just called Jewish.

An excellent article by Daniel Greenfield:

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/262397 ... greenfield

Basically, Jews are decolonising Israel. Muslims are trying to reconquer and recolonise it, as "Palestine". The very name of " Palestine" is colonial.

Frontpagemag is a BS right wing rag.