Anti-Zionism is anti-semitism

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They don't kill thousands. Most of the people they kill are Hamas terrorists.

Israel is terrified of democracy, as you outlined. That's why I object to current Israeli politics. They need to confront their fears the same way Americans did with civil rights.

Not according to the UN.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28439404
While exact figures are in dispute, it does seem that the majority of people Israel kills are civilians.

And so are muslim theocracies like Saudi Arabia and Iran. Christian theocracy has occurred in Lebanon and Ethiopia. But I don't notice you whining about THEM, you decide to pick on the world's only Jewish quasi-theocracy.

I didn't know I was supposed to address all the problems of the world in one thread.

You're not. Just the middle east.


Tequila has attempted to explain using logic and facts why your assertions about Israel are wrong. Now you're resorting to "witty" one-liners and sarcasm.

I didn't know I was supposed to be boring.

The State of Israel suffers from all the defects of Democracy. Its leaders and parliament (the Knesset) is elected by the people. Oh, by the way, Muslim citizens of Israel vote too. Israel's Main Fear is being wiped out by its Muslim neighbors.

I wouldn't personally trust the UN as far as I could throw them. UNRWA is a racist disgrace.

Those figures are inflated and came from Hamas sources, that also includes things like natural deaths, malfunctioning rocket fire, Hamas murdering its own civilians for "collaboration" etc. Many of the "civilians" that Hamas claim Israel killed were actually terrorists. Hamas lied about who these people were.

The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs claims that around 45% of the people that they killed in that war were civilians, which is very good in comparison with conflicts that other Western armies are involved in. The MFA used their own intelligence reports, along with referring to Palestinian sources.

Again, the only reason why there were any casualties at all is because Hamas started a war with Israel by firing rockets into Israeli towns.

What the Arabs and Israelis need is Mickey Mouse. Opening a Disneyland Jerusalem would go a long way towards ending the animosity.

I don't think I would volunteer to be the person inside the Micky" suit.

Because a picture is worth a thousand words :

Israel's "war machine" is the only reason why Israel's Arabic speaking foes have not destroyed her and slaughtered ever Jews therein. Israel is one lost war away from being anihilated.

A few points to make about Neturei Karta:

You really don't want to use Neturei Karta as the "I have Jewish people that agree with me" defence because:

1. Neturei Karta are a fringe of the fringe movement within Judaism - they are a tiny number of people, who are mostly ignored and disliked by most other Jews
2. Because they associate with neo-Nazis like Jobbik, David Duke, Hamas, and Iranian antisemites. They stand with the most regressive, the most antisemitic people due to their hate for Israel because human beings created Israel. It's perfectly possible to be a Jewish antisemite, and I class NK as being one of those groups.

I'm sure it is possible to be anti-Zionist without being antisemitic (particularly if the State of Israel hadn't been created) but not now. Anti-Zionism now means millions of Jews, as well as other minorities like Druze and others losing their homes, possibly in the midst of a civil war between Arabs and Jews. The best case scenario is that the Arabs will force the Jews out of their homeland by expelling them (in the same way that Jews were kicked out after 1948 by Arab countries), but I don't expect that to happen because the Jews will put up an almighty fight to protect what is theirs. The worst case scenario is that there will be another Holocaust.

The anti-Zionist Haredim only oppose Israel because they believe that Israel as a state should not be created by human beings. They believe that the Messiah will create Israel.

Most Orthodox Jews are supportive of Israel or at least not directly oppositional to Israel. It's only some of the ultra-Orthodox Haredis (like the Satmar and Neturei Karta) that are anti-Israel, and then only for religious reasons. The Haredim are widely disliked by secular Israelis anyway, due to being rather backward socially - they don't support equal rights for women, and so on - and they are considered not to pull their weight, being a drain on the state and also refusing to serve in the IDF.

Here's an excellent video I watched recently, regarding Israeli 'anti-Zionist' Ilan Pappe's books:

I suppose Gilad Atzmon, Norman Finkelstein, Max Blumenthal, Yoav Shamir, Noam Chomsky and Bathsheba Ratzkoff are all self-hating Jews / Jewish antisemites in your opinion, right?

If you seriously believe such a deluded notion, I guess that means logic is totally lost on you...

You've convicted the Palestinians of precrime, which justifies their slaughter, and all the millions of smaller injustices they have to deal with daily.