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13 Nov 2016, 4:51 pm

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^ I guess these guys weren't Rosicrucians:

Poor fellow on the ground should have remembered to wear his safety pin.

This wasn't political, it was a traffic dispute that escalated.

Stop lying. They beat him up and stole his car because he had a Trump sign/sticker.

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13 Nov 2016, 5:05 pm

It's been a long time since I last posted here on WP, and I'm not an American. Having said that....

WHY are people so obsessed with ''political correctness''? I hear and read people saying that it's great that Trump won because he'll end ''PC culture'', and it just leaves me with a lot of questions.

-Isn't ''pc'' often just ''having manners''? (not calling black people the n-word, not joking about rape at every opportunity, etc)

-WHY is ''pc'' so important or dangerous to you that it makes you elect a guy like Trump?! Is getting called-out every once in a long while really worth choosing a guy like him? Is that SUCH an agony that it's a major issue that politicians should protect you from?

-Why do you think he'll ''end'' ''pc''? He can't actually end freedom of expression or opinion, you know...

-What real-life consequences does for instance not calling gay people the f-word, have? How does it make people suffer or die or anything else that's very bad?

-Bit of a rhetorical one: I see more people obsessed about ''pc culture and SJWs'' everywhere, rather than actuals SJWs themselves. Why care so much?

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13 Nov 2016, 5:15 pm

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Do you notice next to nothing is ever done to protect those with ASD by the SJW's? they'll protest over someone being "misgendered" but if a person with ASD is attacked (like the poor little boy set on fire months back by his "friends") they're dead silent **crickets**.

I've noticed this too. It's disgusting. Because our condition is less "visible," they don't think they need to defend us for anything because they don't realize that we've suffered massive discrimination just like the people they "protect." Most SJWs are massive hypocrites.

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13 Nov 2016, 5:16 pm

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-WHY is ''pc'' so important or dangerous to you that it makes you elect a guy like Trump?! Is getting called-out every once in a long while really worth choosing a guy like him? Is that SUCH an agony that it's a major issue that politicians should protect you from?

The guy the OP posted a video of, Jordan Peterson, is actually one of the best people to actually answer that question.

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13 Nov 2016, 7:04 pm

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It actually limits freedom of expression or speech, for one, nevermind how it evolves and manifests in mobs like we are seeing in riots now. People get fired from their jobs all because these mobs find "racists" and complain to the companies they work for when they have no right to. They see sexism and racism where there is none, pretty much everywhere, and their blind hypocritical hatred often leads to much more real, physical violence or trying to manipulate law in order to punish their victims.

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14 Nov 2016, 8:36 am

So some funny things about this is that the SJWs are indeed huge hypocrites.

They love to talk about being an "ally" to different minorities while simultaneous oppressing those very same minorities. They don't want to hear from black republicans, for example, and they will cover up/victim blame victims of sexual violence within their own circles. They are also not interested in autistic people or hearing from actual disabled people because such individuals would skew their narrative. They'll instead talk to people who are related to or might have once known a disabled person and had it "affect" them.

Just to focus on why they ignore autistics for a minute- can you imagine the truth grenade that would happen if a person who is a different thinker by nature is injected into their groupthink? A person who is truly sensitive (not pretending to be) and/or truly logical?

FIVE emails appeared in my inbox this morning of the foolish SJW professors trying to overturn the election. They're becoming more rabid, which I believe is a sign that reality is starting to set in.

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14 Nov 2016, 1:17 pm

SocOfAutism wrote:

Just to focus on why they ignore autistics for a minute- can you imagine the truth grenade that would happen if a person who is a different thinker by nature is injected into their groupthink? A person who is truly sensitive (not pretending to be) and/or truly logical?

My experience has been that they'll say that that person makes them feel "uncomfortable" or "unsafe" and try to have them removed.

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14 Nov 2016, 1:51 pm

There's no way I'd be able to take an in-person class again. I have an associate's degree, two bachelor's degrees and am nearly finished with a master's degree, in three different subjects. I got all of those mostly for sport, which is not something I'm proud of. I should have just read some books instead. I was wasting my time and the time of each school I went to.

Even years ago when the climate was much friendlier, I would get in trouble for making points that other people could not argue (because they hadn't read the material or didn't understand it) or for simply having a smirk, which I guess offends some people. Being respectful of points that are stupid or unfair is difficult and stressful.

I personally don't want to do it anymore, which is part of why I'm tapping out and not going for a PhD. I can't be around those people anymore. And what would I get at the end of it? I don't believe in what I'm doing. The sociology that I believed in is dead. The way I wanted to study autism is not something that anyone is ready to accept. There's no point. I'm just going to go back to working on my back fence and maybe doing a cross-stitch. Maybe I'll learn a new language.

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14 Nov 2016, 2:13 pm

YourMajesty wrote:

It's been a long time since I last posted here on WP, and I'm not an American. Having said that....

Part-timer!

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WHY are people so obsessed with ''political correctness''? I hear and read people saying that it's great that Trump won because he'll end ''PC culture'', and it just leaves me with a lot of questions.

Political correctness has, in some places, been heavy-handed in its application. Enforcing PC is a form of censorship, and that's fundamentally un-American.

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-Isn't ''pc'' often just ''having manners''? (not calling black people the n-word, not joking about rape at every opportunity, etc)

There's a difference between PC and PC culture. The latter is what causes the problems. Its adherents believe they have the right to not be offended.

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First, what do you mean "a guy like Trump"? There are myriad reasons Trump won the election, with anti-PC culture being just a single factor.

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-Why do you think he'll ''end'' ''pc''? He can't actually end freedom of expression or opinion, you know...

Not applicable.

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-What real-life consequences does for instance not calling gay people the f-word, have? How does it make people suffer or die or anything else that's very bad?

I don't see the relevance of this question. Perhaps you could rephrase it?

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-Bit of a rhetorical one: I see more people obsessed about ''pc culture and SJWs'' everywhere, rather than actuals SJWs themselves. Why care so much?

Because left unchecked, SJWs will be the undoing of Western civilisation. What you see as "obsessive" is in fact a very reasonable reactionary position to take.

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14 Nov 2016, 2:14 pm

This literally just landed in my Facebook feed, with several of my friends liking and commenting about how insightful it is:

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14 Nov 2016, 2:16 pm

Dox47 wrote:

This literally just landed in my Facebook feed, with several of my friends liking and commenting about how insightful it is:

Ohhh my god people are so dumb.

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14 Nov 2016, 2:21 pm

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Ohhh my god people are so dumb.

The sad thing is that I know these people and they aren't stupid, they've just signed on to a really stupid ideology. People keep accusing me of attacking some sort of straw social justice movement, when the reality is that I've got a front row seat because of my liberal friends and my Facebook feed, I'm not just cherry picking the dumbest things I see on Salon and Huffpo.

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14 Nov 2016, 2:35 pm

I am so anti-"political correctness" it isn't funny.

I wish you could place all the criticism in one ear, and out the other, SocOfAutism. Just get your doctorate for yourself. Don't let the garbage-spewers get to you.

I'm not a lover of Trump--but I respect why you liked him. It's based upon your personal experience with NAFTA, and jobs going overseas, thereby forcing many here to lose their jobs. Like I said elsewhere, I would have much preferred if the candidate who represents Trumps ideas wasn't Trump himself.

I'm taking a wait-and-see attitude towards Trump. Maybe he'll be humbled by the Office of the Presidency, and act accordingly.

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14 Nov 2016, 3:57 pm

SocOfAutism wrote:

Autism will manage without your "study", thanks.

It's interesting that the possibility never seems to have occurred to you that you might have the wrong approach, considering you are studying something (autism) from an outside perspective (not being autistic yourself so not knowing autism "personally" in that way, not having an autistic perspective). That strikes me as a lack of humility and a lack of respect for the subject of your study. Perhaps that has led to the unwillingness to accept your approach that you describe above.

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14 Nov 2016, 5:55 pm

SocOfAutism wrote:

I can not tell you what to do with your life or really know what you have had to deal with but I am sorry that we have to lose research from a valued ally. Everything people enjoy we do because somebody went against the groupthink of the day. The danger to disabled people from alt right trolling hate and programs bieng cut because of the belief everybody should just try harder is obvoius. That is why a lot of leading ND advocates have blogged about how upset they are that Trump won. But the danger of the SJW brand of progressivism dominent in the academic world today to autistics is less obvoius but arguably worse. Neurodiversity is all about thinking differently and individuality (if you have met one autistic you have met one autistic) so we are a threat to them.

What is the group think about autism you could not break through?

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14 Nov 2016, 7:21 pm

Side note,

If you guys really want to know how much arse the guy in the OP video philosophically and logically kicks:

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