My Problem With Conspiracy Theorists Nowadays
Hi all.
I'm just wondering why so many people nowadays believe in over-the-top conspiracy theories that literally make no sense.
For example, the whole conspiracy theory about the New World Order putting chemicals in vaccines to give people autism is nonsensical. Shouldn't the New World Order want us to work without questioning authority? People on the autistic spectrum have a hard time working and tend to question everything. Therefore, if the New World Order existed, they would want to wipe out autism, not cause it.
The flat earth conspiracy theories don't make any sense either. If the earth were a flat disk, the New World Order would have no reason to hide it.
Creationist conspiracy theories about how "evidence for evolution is being fabricated" also make no sense. The Bible strongly implies that humans need an authority figure. Meanwhile, evolutionary biology strongly implies that human societies functioned without leaders for thousands of years. If there really were a "New World Order", it would be in their best interest to promote creationism.
Yeah, I get it. The mainstream media is full of lies. That part I understand. Most of what seems like "common sense" is wrong. Democracy has been corrupted by corporate interests in most countries. Celebrities are a big distraction. Popular music sucks. "Nerd culture" has devolved into a celebration of consumerism and mundane immaturity. Sports are pointless. Some politicians lie. Lots of people don't have healthy lifestyles. Conspiracy nuts are generally right about all of those things.
Here's The Thing: As hard as it may sound, you still have to put yourself in the other person's shoes. If you were a shadow dictator, what would you do? Would you take rational steps to stay in power, or would you do random spooky stuff for the evulz?
That's why I have zero respect for most conspiracy nuts nowadays. All real conspiracies have a motive. If you don't follow that principle, you are just pulling random conspiracies out of your ass.
Most world leaders are clever, since they are usually rich and well-educated. They aren't going to put chemicals in the water to turn the frogs gay. They would have to by psychotic in order to do something so random ... and it's generally hard for psychotics to get into positions of power.
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Doing spooky stuff for the evulz may be a good idea if you know people are going to blame it on someone else.
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If the "New World Order" is real, it is quite possibly the oddest authoritarian regime in history.
Throughout history, most authoritarian regimes have used a single, unifying religion to keep people under control. The New World Order allegedly allows every religion except Christianity.
Throughout history, most dictatorships have restricted human sexuality in order to direct human emotional passion towards the military. The New World Order allegedly allows all forms of sexual "degeneracy" ... because this is somehow beneficial for an authoritarian regime.
Most authoritarian regimes throughout history have used racism to keep people under control. The NWO allegedly controls people using ... anti-racism?
Most authoritarian regimes use mythological machismo to lure men into patriotic military service. The NWO allegedly "promotes feminism in order to make men weak" even though most dictators would rather have men who are strong, but obedient.
The NWO allegedly uses environmentalism to control people. Has any past dictatorship done this? I can't even name one.
Some NWO conspiracy nuts assert that the NWO is made up of international Trotskyists ... but why would a Trotskyist support globalisation and perpetual warfare? Am I supposed to believe that every Trotskyist is Christopher Hitchens?
See what I mean? These sorts of NWO conspiracy theories are all over the internet nowadays even though they defy historical trends ... as well as basic logic.
In reality, the masters of humankind are international merchants, but they use a mask of patriotism to hide their international nature. Most people who openly promote internationalism are not oppressors, but liberators.
This is why NWO conspiracy theories are dangerous. They reinforce patriotic mythology and create the illusion that international-minded people are enemies of liberty.
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The NWO theories make the assumption that a number people with massivly inflated egos many of who made billions by being self starters would agree to the conspiracy and keep silent about it for decades on end.
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In that case maybe the people who are promoting creationism are authority figures.
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Overall, I'm not fond of people who automatically dismiss every conspiracy theory just because it is a conspiracy theory. Conspiracies do happen. There were conspiracies in Ancient Rome. Watergate was a conspiracy theory that ended up being true.
As a result, I think that real intellectuals should analyse conspiracy theories on a case-by-case basis, rather than dismissing every conspiracy theory as automatically wrong. Yes, I am even willing to extend this line of reasoning to anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. In our society, we are supposed to automatically dismiss all "hateful" statements simply because they are hateful ... but I think that it's more fun to consider politically incorrect opinions and then analyse them on a factual basis.
For example, we should point out that plenty of Jews will convert to Christianity and have non-Jewish families ... so who is a Jew? How much Jewish DNA do you need in order to be a Jew? I'm part Jewish. Why haven't I ever been to one of their Illuminati conspiracy meetings? If race mixing will eventually destroy the white race, won't it destroy the Jewish race as well? How can you possibly believe that Aryans are superior if Jews control everything? How is it possible for a "weak" race to fare so well within a cutthroat capitalist framework? How come anti-Semitic countries are usually brutal dictatorships, whereas countries that embrace ethnic equality tend to be full of wealth? How come so many white nationalists admire Ancient Rome even though the Romans didn't embrace "racial purity" until near the end of their history ... when their empire was starting to come apart?
See what I mean? This is why I hate political correctness. It's more fun to analyze politically incorrect opinions on a case-by-case basis and point out everything that is simply nonsensical.
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As a result, I think that real intellectuals should analyse conspiracy theories on a case-by-case basis, rather than dismissing every conspiracy theory as automatically wrong. Yes, I am even willing to extend this line of reasoning to anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. In our society, we are supposed to automatically dismiss all "hateful" statements simply because they are hateful ... but I think that it's more fun to consider politically incorrect opinions and then analyse them on a factual basis.
Conspiracies do happen—conspiracies involving ridiculous numbers of people, all known to be fraught with all kinds of dissent and conflicting interests among themselves, when there are much simpler explanations for the observed phenomena, not so much. As far as I know, the term conspiracy theory refers to the latter case.
Remember the one-drop rule: in their eyes, any amount, however small, of ancestry known not to belong to the “superior” race, excludes you from that race, while any amount, however small, of ancestry known to belong to the race they’ve chosen as their designated enemy makes you of that race. Bad things tend to spread on their own, while good things take effort to preserve from being tainted, don’t they? Call it entropy.
By not being bound by logic?

These days, I see the “politically incorrect” label mostly used by racists, sexists and the like to describe themselves, as a point of pride and a warning that any attempt to argue against them will be dismissed as mere hypocrisy without bothering to reason with you.
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There are enough people who dive into researching conspiracy theories and weeding out the noise per signal, and what they often come down to tends to be pretty boring and non-sensational, bureaucratic blindness or half-baked ideas by government with monstrous downstream consequences. When they do that they sometimes to bring some little thought about or little discussed piece of the originating puzzle to light and as they do the work it seems like they're able to prune and triage the territory a bit.
Admittedly lots of people want to believe BS for it's own sake. I can't speak for them, I can only hope (perhaps delusionally) that it's not the significant majority, but there seems to be a vogue flavor to this stuff, a bit like the social capital for Christian spiritual warfare lunacy got spent and will hopefully be spent soon enough when it comes to Alex Jones, I have no idea what the numbers for David Icke have trended through the years but I can't imagine them getting better, and I think if the internet stays the way it is you'll have these huge crumbly bits of lunacy getting planed or sanded down, the more internet-savvy people get it'll only be the biggest social loser in a room full of conspiracy theorists who believes something about Nordic Reptilians, demons from Algol, or the Nephilim coming back to eat humans like chicken wings along with seductive 120 year-old nazi supermodels on silver UFO's - all camped out at Antarctica. For as blind and stupid as people are even that blindness and stupidity seems to move, it tends to move away from the garish, and if the garish surfaces it tends to just be a new artform.
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Hitler wasn't a socialist though. Yes, I know, the "National Socialist German Worker's Party" was their name, but they were about as socialistic as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (a.k.a. North Korea) is democratic and belongs to the people. That is, not at all. They rounded up, for example, unionists. Socialists too. Hitler was right wing, a traditionalist who supported large corporations (like Krupp) and the army. Why do so many extreme, ultra-Right people like yourself believe in this "Hitler was a Socialist" crap?
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One other thing. Where did the creator of this silly diagramme get their ridiculous figures from? Stalin killed 60 million?! If he had there wouldn't have been many left in the USSR to defeat the Nazis when the time came! It's utterly ludicrous!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demograph ... viet_Union
Population of USSR in 1926: 148,656,000
Population of USSR in 1937: 162,500,000
Population of USSR in 1941: 196,716,000 (just before Operation Barbarossa)
Population of USSR in 1946: 170,548,000 (26,168,000 killed during World War 2).
The claims made in your image are nonsense.
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As a result, I think that real intellectuals should analyse conspiracy theories on a case-by-case basis, rather than dismissing every conspiracy theory as automatically wrong. Yes, I am even willing to extend this line of reasoning to anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. In our society, we are supposed to automatically dismiss all "hateful" statements simply because they are hateful ... but I think that it's more fun to consider politically incorrect opinions and then analyse them on a factual basis.
For example, we should point out that plenty of Jews will convert to Christianity and have non-Jewish families ... so who is a Jew? How much Jewish DNA do you need in order to be a Jew? I'm part Jewish. Why haven't I ever been to one of their Illuminati conspiracy meetings? If race mixing will eventually destroy the white race, won't it destroy the Jewish race as well? How can you possibly believe that Aryans are superior if Jews control everything? How is it possible for a "weak" race to fare so well within a cutthroat capitalist framework? How come anti-Semitic countries are usually brutal dictatorships, whereas countries that embrace ethnic equality tend to be full of wealth? How come so many white nationalists admire Ancient Rome even though the Romans didn't embrace "racial purity" until near the end of their history ... when their empire was starting to come apart?
See what I mean? This is why I hate political correctness. It's more fun to analyze politically incorrect opinions on a case-by-case basis and point out everything that is simply nonsensical.
As far as I'm aware no conspiracy theory has ever turned about to true. I'm not saying that no conspiracy has ever been true. Of course there are/were conspiracies. E.g. the conspiracy to assassinate Julius Caesar. That's not a conspiracy theory because the conspiracy is already public knowledge.
For it to be a conspiracy theory someone would have to theorise about it before it became public knowledge and for it to be a true conspiracy theory someone would have to theorise about it and then later be proven right. As far as I'm aware, this has never happened. Correct me if I'm wrong.
It's possible that there are major conspiracies going on right now but it's very unlikely that random people on the internet have accurate knowledge about them. If there's some above top secret plan, they certainly won't tell random internet users.
If someone can talk about a conspiracy in public and not get killed, that's good evidence that his conspiracy theory is baloney because if he'd stumbled across a real conspiracy they'd kill him.
The fact is that people tend to see patterns where there are none and some people use these patterns to confirm their pet theories. One example is people who thought standard military training exercises and standard military transports were evidence that FEMA was setting up death camps.
My conspiracy nut dad sees patterns in everything. Lately he thinks there's secret messages about present day Australian politics hidden in Star Trek: Voyager. Never mind that it was made in America and that it was made about 20 years ago. The trouble is, he has to change the episode plots in order to shoehorn them into his existing theories.
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Conservatives are odd eh?
Poor people want healthcare: "NAZI! NAZI! NAZI!"
Actual white supremacists murder people: "Yeah ... well ... what about anti-white racism? What about Islam? What about eco-Nazis? What about ..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
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