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What is the primary reason for disapproval of homosexuality?
Religion 36%  36%  [ 40 ]
Fear that homosexuals will be attracted to YOU 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Fear of disintegrating gender roles 10%  10%  [ 11 ]
Male fear of gay anal rape 5%  5%  [ 5 ]
Homosexual intercourse cannot produce children 4%  4%  [ 4 ]
It just icks people out 18%  18%  [ 20 ]
It defies social norms 10%  10%  [ 11 ]
Other (please explain below) 15%  15%  [ 16 ]
Total votes : 110

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07 Jan 2019, 3:35 pm

"Leaders" use them as scapegoats. They aren't like us so we can blame them.



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07 Jan 2019, 4:02 pm

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i think it's biologically based, we evolved to disapprove of homosexuality because it doesn't make babies.

If you expect group selection to operate, maybe. But most evolutionary biologists agree that group selection works only under restricted and rare conditions.

If selection of attitudes towards homosexuality operates at the individual or the gene level, then people should approve of homosexuality among people of their own sex, because it reduces competition, with the exception of their close relatives, where it may reduce inclusive fitness. "May" because if your sibling were homosexual and had no children, but their help in raising your children increases your reproductive success by 50%, then your inclusive fitness is the same as if your sibling had the average number of children (assuming your reproductive success would otherwise have been average). In that case, you shouldn't mind a sibling being gay. General homophobia looks like a bit of an evolutionary puzzle to me.

Also, a substantial proportion of men prefer women who have some sexual interest in other women. There is speculation that the evolutionary basis could be that the man might get lucky with his partner's female partner. I don't know whether any data support that speculation.

You would expect that parents disapprove of exclusive homosexuality among their own children, again because of reduced inclusive fitness. Unless exclusively gay offspring's help to their siblings can be expected to increase the number of grandchildren among the not exclusively gay children by the average number of children, or more.

Given the male preference, parents should have evolved to approve of their daughters being bisexual.

If a bisexual son's male partner can be axpected to contribute to raising grandchildren, they should also approve of sons being bisexual.

Theoretically, how many babies get made by whom should be relevant to any evolved component of homophobia, but I think it's a bit more complicated than you outlined. And then, any evolutionary account of homophobia would have to show that it is a universal trend across cultures. Which doesn't seem to be true: https://twitter.com/Diamandahagan/status/1054501242045652992.



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08 Jan 2019, 3:11 am

they fear that it is hiding in themselves. so they lash out at others who remind them of what is hiding in themselves.



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08 Jan 2019, 8:43 am

Men are afraid that other men will treat them with the same courtesy and respect with which they routinely treat women.



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08 Jan 2019, 9:06 am

Piobaire wrote:
Men are afraid that other men will treat them with the same courtesy and respect with which they routinely treat women.

That's a great one. :wtg:

Must be the same reason why some white people hate black people. Deep down they know that they have all the reason in the world to hate us.



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08 Jan 2019, 2:29 pm

^ Yeah, one of the best descriptions of male homophobia is as follows:

Homophobia: the fear other men will treat you the way you treat women.


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08 Jan 2019, 2:39 pm

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^ Yeah, one of the best descriptions of male homophobia is as follows:

Homophobia: the fear other men will treat you the way you treat women.

Yep. Things like rape, sexual harassment, etc. The kind of s**t that women put up with from straight guys all the time.

And ironically most cases of men raping other men like in prison or during times of war is usually done by men who practice heterosexual relationships outside of those situations. In fact it's men who are openly gay that are often the targets of rape in prison.



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09 Jan 2019, 12:11 am

I think people probably find it weird or offensive to look at.

I’ve spoken to several people who feel uncomfortable in the situation.

It’s a shame, because gay people can’t help being gay.



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09 Jan 2019, 12:17 am

hale_bopp wrote:
I think people probably find it weird or offensive to look at.

I’ve spoken to several people who feel uncomfortable in the situation.

It’s a shame, because gay people can’t help being gay.

Just like black people can't help being black and women can't help being women.

But bigotry is what it is.



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09 Jan 2019, 8:17 am

Strictly speaking the thread title should read "Why do SOME people disapprove of homosexuality?"

There are all kinds of prejudices held by some people and for differing reasons, such as fear.


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10 Jan 2019, 4:05 am

TW1ZTY wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
I think people probably find it weird or offensive to look at.

I’ve spoken to several people who feel uncomfortable in the situation.

It’s a shame, because gay people can’t help being gay.

Just like black people can't help being black and women can't help being women.

But bigotry is what it is.


I agree. It’s not acceptable.



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10 Jan 2019, 6:00 am

hale_bopp wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
I think people probably find it weird or offensive to look at.

I’ve spoken to several people who feel uncomfortable in the situation.

It’s a shame, because gay people can’t help being gay.

Just like black people can't help being black and women can't help being women.

But bigotry is what it is.


I agree. It’s not acceptable.

I propose that they are welcome to feel uncomfortable all they like, but they have no right to shove their discomfort down our throats.



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10 Jan 2019, 6:24 pm

Why do people disapprove of it?

Reasons I have heard:

It's against their religion

It's not moral

It's against our US constitution

It gives kids weird ideas

It's sick

They believe it's between a man and a woman





I think homosexuality has become acceptable now. 20 years ago, homophobia was still the norm because it was pervasive. Now it seems politically incorrect to be a homophobic. Are there still people out there who hate it, yes.


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10 Jan 2019, 9:03 pm

it really does not matter to me.
what people do in their own time is their own business.