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07 Mar 2019, 10:38 pm

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Hmm the most efficient are round 40% ? can you link me to an accredited source ? nothing can be 100% efficient too many variables you are always going to get loss because of thermal effects expansion and contraction absorption, my background is electronic engineering so my physics knowledge is based on this, rather than cosmological or astrophysics but a lot of the disciplines merge and easy to cross over into.

I will see if I can find them tomorrow, I'm about to call it a night, relax and watch some youtube. It may be difficult to find being it was around 18 years ago, but I will see if I can find them. Science daily was the source, they are very creditable. Search "science daily" on your browser and you will find them, I think it's sciendaily.net (I'm on my phone right now). I wonder if they have a feature to search articles from particular years? I will try, it's around the time they came up with the alloy which converts thermal energy to electrical energy I think around 70% efficent, also around the time they found out how to convert glass into a metallic state. I also remember them stating that they discovered that there is over 500 states of matter, they pointed out warm ice, water molecules formed into ice by compression.



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07 Mar 2019, 10:44 pm

That would be good, be nice to read/dissect some new information if they have archives will check, that much information available these days, hard to define the validity without doing practical tests enjoy your youtube.



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07 Mar 2019, 10:50 pm

Now that I have thought about it more, I think it was more like about 9 years ago. I get my years very mixed up, but it's when 'water for gas' theory exploded and I was on a forum called dmt nexus trying to argue with scientists about water for gas which led them to teaching me various things like conservation of energy and entropy. So I'm also aware that a 100% conversion is impossible, you will always have energy loss in the form of heat.



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07 Mar 2019, 10:53 pm

Yep good old friction you conversed
in heat death also ? I'm a fan of sir roger penrose and his black and white hole analogy a recycling universe.



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07 Mar 2019, 11:00 pm

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Yep good old friction you conversed
in heat death also ? I'm a fan of sir roger penrose and his black and white hole analogy a recycling universe.

No I'm not sure what that is, fill me in and possibly link me to a source, it sounds interesting.



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07 Mar 2019, 11:10 pm

The premise that the possible rapid expansion of the universe could be explained by a super black hole a type of worm hole if you will that crushes mass out of a existence to it's purest from light past the line of a singularity the other side would pass pure energy light that will smash together much like the cern hadron collider repeating the big bang creating a new universe electrons positrons etc the conundrum would be we don't know if equal parts of electrons and positrons annihilate each other in an instant canceling out the formation of a new universe research it rather interesting he did a lot of work with hawking and suskind I believe.



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08 Mar 2019, 1:47 pm

EnTiTyZ wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTttUigXulk


I couldn't find the articles, it only let me search back to 2016...

here is the alloy or a similar alloy? The one i read was something like (Nc(something)) it was a short name., (2011)
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 125706.htm

I can't find the solar panel articles I have read, it's possible I remember it wrong? As far as I can remember they had very efficient panels. So many articles to scan through by google search, not knowing the exact year doesn't help. There are articles that contradict my memory though, like one saying new record, 18% efficient?

lol, I'm having no success finding the articles I have read, this one is on 500 phases of matter (2012)
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 233120.htm



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08 Mar 2019, 5:50 pm

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It's not really being suppressed we have just not created it or have funding or intelligence to create it are you thinking dyson sphere ?


It is being suppressed, scientists have been creating technology to solve these kinds of energy issues, they create patents, big corporations which revolve around fossil fuel energy production(I assume) buy these patents and do not use the technology, maximizing profits from fossil fuels. I've been saying this in the other thread(global warming) because about 18 years ago I read many articles at science daily about solar panels which were 70% to 80% efficient, also one article I read they claimed to have came up with panels that were around 65% efficient and cheap to manufacture, yet they still have not hit the market 18 years latter and the panels on the market are very expensive and less than 65% efficient, that makes me conclude that technology is being suppressed.

This simply isn't true. For one thing, solar panels are currently more profitable than fossil fuels. If you owned the patent to a cheap "65% efficient" solar panel then you'd simply stop worrying about fossil fuels and make all your money from solar power instead. It's also incredibly hard to suppress scientific knowledge because the nature of science is dependant upon free circulation of knowledge. Sometimes these things do happen with patents, but this tends to be in extremely specialised fields, particularly biotech, less so in energy engineering. The sorts of people who work on renewable energy tend not to be the sort of people who are prepared to suppress a patent for no good reason.

The most efficient panels ever tested were 46% efficient. However, this is just their efficiency at converting sunlight to electricity in ideal conditions. It doesn't factor in manufacturing costs. A good mass-produced solar panel can operate at 22% efficiency. There's really not much need for them to be better than that - the usability of solar energy is limited more by the energy infrastructure (including storage) than by actual extraction of solar energy.



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08 Mar 2019, 7:57 pm

Crimadella wrote:
It is being suppressed, scientists have been creating technology to solve these kinds of energy issues, they create patents, big corporations which revolve around fossil fuel energy production(I assume) buy these patents and do not use the technology, maximizing profits from fossil fuels.

Patents are public. Unused patents could be found.

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I've been saying this in the other thread(global warming) because about 18 years ago I read many articles at science daily about solar panels which were 70% to 80% efficient

The relevant number is cost/kWh over the expected life time of the panel. If those panels are five times as efficient as what is on the market, but either cost more than five times as much, or have less than a fifth the expected life time, they would be more expensive.

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the panels on the market are very expensive and less than 65% efficient, that makes me conclude that technology is being suppressed.

I don't doubt that corporations often do try to create barriers to market entry, but I still don't think you have presented good enough reason for that conclusion.



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08 Mar 2019, 8:34 pm

hmmm, both of you seemed to have gazed right over my last reply, where I tried to find the articles I had read years ago and found a contradiction between my memory and articles around that period. As far as I know though, when you 'own' a patent, other people cannot use the technology for a particular amount of time, that's why patents are made.

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I can't find the solar panel articles I have read, it's possible I remember it wrong? As far as I can remember they had very efficient panels. So many articles to scan through by google search, not knowing the exact year doesn't help. There are articles that contradict my memory though, like one saying new record, 18% efficient?



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09 Mar 2019, 8:22 pm

Many patents are slightly improved on and re patented way before the original patent expires.



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10 Mar 2019, 6:44 am

Pepe wrote:
Please tell me the fundamentals of your belief system...


It's not a belief system, it's people worrying about their mortality.