Trump "fine people" lie, evidence....

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Yes he does, and all the people there to protest removing the statues were not white supremacists. You are correct, partially, I doubt it would have escalated to violence without Antifa inciting violence by attacking people, once the situation gets out of control, people like white supremacists will use that to there advantage, I mean they actually are horrible people. It would have never happened if Antifa would not have attacked first, that is the fact at hand. Antifa can't be blamed for someone running another over, but they are 100% responsible for starting the violence by....being violent.

I honestly wouldn't go to any rally because of Anifa's attempts to start violence, it's no secret at all, the internet is riddled with examples. I don't like violence, I would have a gun on me, If someone goes to hit me with a club and I'm not doing anything to them, I would draw my gun and shot them, you can kill someone by hitting them in the head with a stick, club or bat and Antifa has done that a lot, to me I would call that self deference, if you don't want to get shot, try not attacking people, they do have a right to defend themselves.

I think it was CNN, there was a black lady there in support of not removing the statues, is she a white supremacist? She certainly didn't seem like it, she seemed like an ordinary work class woman.

They were willing to stand side by side with neo-nazis and white supremacists, when the community opted to take down the statue...I don't see many very fine people doing that.

Also not sure that is true that the nazis were all just peacefully minding their own business until antifa attacked, if anything they incited violence by promoting nazism and white supremacy. But I suppose I would have to see if I can find a video of the entire protest and see exactly when the violence started. Also though the counter protest was not organized by antifa, whilst the 'unite the right march' was organized by white supremacists from what I have watched it kind of looks like there were a lot more neo nazis than antifa but I'd have to watch more closely.

That said I don't agree with antifa, I mean I agree with being anti-fascism but some of the groups calling themselves that act a little fascist themselves. Like getting concerts canceled because they 'suspect' a band has ties to nazis even if that's not the case, for some reason they kinda target metal...I mean yeah there is some crappy nazi bands, but theres nazi punk bands to. So I would potentially agree that their violent behavior did not help the over all situation, but I had the impression most people just didn't want nazis from all over the country marching their streets and that is why they counter-protested.

I ran across this trying to find videos...

I'm trying to look into it. Atifia is well known for inciting violence, they do it time and time again, without them inciting violence, people would not react in violence. Even if they were 100% white supremacists, which I seriously doubt that but will look into it, even if they were all racist marchers, violence would not break out without antifa showing up intending on starting violence like they always do.

White supremacists suck, they really do, we have no worries about them rising up, they make up an creditably small portion of the population, showing up to fight them is just as messed up as their existence.

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REPORTER: You said there was hatred and violence on both sides?
TRUMP: I do think there is blame – yes, I think there is blame on both sides. You look at, you look at both sides. I think there’s blame on both sides, and I have no doubt about it, and you don't have any doubt about it either. And, and, and, and if you reported it accurately, you would say.
REPORTER: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville.
TRUMP: Excuse me, they didn't put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.
REPORTER: George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same.
transcript of Trump’s remarks at a news conference on Aug. 15

Bleat "fake news" all you want. Based upon the above transcript, I think that you're full of s**t.

well this guy is claiming that patriots were there....hmmmm, apparently all the people were not white supremacists, as Trump pointed out that there were fine people on both sides, perhaps the 'fine' people he was referring too were the patriots since he specifically stated that the white supremacists were bad people, makes sense don't ya think???

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Well funny you say that...hmmm wonder why you intentionally left out the part where someome asks trump if he is saying that white supremacists and he replies, no, they are bad people, horrible people. So actually, it's you that is full of s**t.

Patriots in Charlottesville Speak out the day it happened...



This one is very legit, a room full of patriots and there is even a black guy in there, obviously they are not white supremacists, so, the idea that it was just white supremacists is completely false, here is the proof

White nationalists are claiming Heyer died of a heart attack, unconnected to being struck by a car.

Or maybe the black guy is just a prop.
White nationalists have called themselves the patriot movement for years now, but that doesn't wash away who and what they really are.
Heather Heyer was worth the whole room of them, and more.

The tiki torches were a reenactment of the Nazi night marches in 1930's Germany. There, they chanted their Anti-Semitic and racist slogans in which they expressed their aims for America's future. And they meant every word of it.
I'm pretty sure there was a lot of overlap between the white nationalists and the so called patriots protecting the statues of racist traitors.
Sure, they had the right to protest, but so did the counter protest.

That would be just a conspiracy theory, I mean, dude, if you wanted you could theorize that they are aliens. Are you sure patriots are white supremacists, or is that the tittle the left puts on them? the second seems much more plausible, they tend to label everyone as racists and white supremacists, even with blacks and other minorities standing with them. Patriots stand for protection constitutional rights, once again it has absolutely nothing to do with racism nor white supremacy, they seem to state that very clearly.

You could make a case that some white supremacists are also patriots, though that does not make all patriots white supremacists. I have seen many people marching and claiming they are patriots, they are 100% not a group of racist people and more than often they have people with them from other races.

That's the incredibly sad thing, the left concludes, if it's a group of mostly white people, they must be racist, that in itself is racism. It's not different from pointing the finger at another group that may be of another race and just stating they are racist while knowing nothing about them,.

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Why would a black guy want to associate with people who defend statues dedicated to white supremacy?

seems pretty obvious you didn't watch the video, they explain why they were there. They were there to try to prevent both sides from fighting and to make a stand for the constitutional right of freedom of speech without having to fight violent people, that is why they were there. Also, maybe you should search youtube to find videos of black people explaining why they see removing the statues is wrong, they do exist and they do have reasons that they express.

I was admittedly eating while the video played, while I was half watching South Park my daughter was watching on TV.

I watched the first seven and a half minutes of the video.

Firstly, these people say that they didn't take part in the Unite the Right rally, which Trump defended.

Secondly, one of the speakers repeatedly says that he disagrees with "black lives matter". That makes him a white supremacist.

Thirdly, several people in the video are seen wearing t-shirts identifying them as "Hiwaymen". This is a neo-Confederate group. You'll note, for example, that they hosted this event. You could also check out their Twitter hashtag which contains members saying some pretty chilling things; you can also click through to the Twitter feeds for more of that stuff, including their leader retweeting a nationalist pundit saying Hitler's policies were only wrong because they extended beyond Germany's borders! They are not "patriots", they are neo-Confederates and historical revisionists who at the very least are prepared to turn a blind eye to racism. Quite convenient that they left that out from their propaganda video, eh? They certainly seem to be better people than the Unite the Right people, but that doesn't mean they're good people.