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Agreed...

B.S. For one he wouldn't be a victim of globalisation propaganda and secondly it's only a racism problem when whites do it pretty much.

That's what I'm trying to say, people are trying to associate a word that has nothing to do with racism by definition with racism only when it's a white person. Hell, it doesn't even have anything to do with race by definition, it's a word to associate a set of beliefs that has nothing to do with racism nor race.

Black nationalist = Black person whom has nationalism beliefs. (whether good or bad)
White nationalist = White supremacist?? No, that is not what it means.

Like I said, even if racist people do use it, it's pretty pointless to attach race to a word that has nothing to do with race, it's no different from saying 'white democrat', a phrase where the persons race is pointless to mention unless there is some specific reason for needing to know the race, like polling to see how many white people are democrats.

People are suggesting we should cross words off the list because bad people may have used them, yet in this case it's even more absurd, because any race other than white sticks to the actual definition while a white person labeled as a nationalist is considered a white supremacist. It's stupid in my opinion.

Actually, that's precisely what it means. 'White nationalism' is a term coined by Derek Black, the founder of neo-Nazi 'Stormfront', as a more socially acceptable and less threatening euphemism for white supremacy.
White nationalists are by definition white supremacists. It's ridiculous that this even needs to be explained.

For not being racist, he sure had some pretty spicy things to say about the "kaffirs" from his time in South Africa.

nationalist = supremacist = false

Nationalist
identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.
"their nationalism is tempered by a desire to join the European Union"
synonyms: patriotism, patriotic sentiment, allegiance/loyalty to one's country, loyalism, nationality; More
advocacy of or support for the political independence of a particular nation or people.

Someone who is white that claims to be a 'Nationalist'(Not white nationalist), will be considered a white nationalist. Take Trump for example, he openly said he was a nationalist, not a white nationalist, so what did the left do? They attached 'white' to his claim to insist he openly claimed to be a 'white nationalist', a corrupted left wing tactic to insist he openly claimed to be a white supremacist.

You could associate someone who claims to be a 'white nationalist' as someone who claims to be a white supremacist more so than a white person who claims to be a nationalist. The problem is if you are white and claim to be a nationalist, something that has nothing to do with neither race nor racism, the left will try their manipulating tactic to label them as a 'white nationalist'.

I don't know anything about that. Are we going to insist that Gandhi was a supremacist? From what I understand about him he was the guy that would let others beat up on him and refuse to lash out in anger or violence even when people inflict violence onto him.

It's difficult to discern what in his writing is just him using the parlance of the time that has later taken on a deeper derogatory meaning, but several times in his early writing he complains about indians and "the kaffirs" being subject to the same conditions (in prison, for instance) where he regarded indians as their betters and deserving of better treatment. He also complains a lot about how lazy the africans were, how they lack good hygiene and I think he calls them half-animals or somesuch at one point.

And yes, non-violence was his usual approach. Doesn't really exclude what I'm saying. He was also a Luddite and slept naked with his nieces to impress others with his chastity (or lack thereof, from what I hear). It's funny how often when one examines great people in detail, one finds that they weren't particularly good.

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Only in the world of labels. I'm white and I'm a nationalist but I'm not an identitarian and I don't believe white people are superior. The rise of white nationalism is a counter to the horrors of globalisation. Don't blame the reaction blame the cause.

Yeah; he really said that.
But what do you expect from someone whose candidacy was endorsed by neo-Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan?

Sez who?

lol. Sure, keep ignoring the part where he specifically said white supremacists are bad people, obviously when he clarified that white supremacists aren't good people he wasn't insisting that white supremacists were fine people. That is a 100% contradiction they he clarified when he was specifically questioned. You keep completely ignoring that, insisting that he was actually say "White supremacists are bad people, white supremacists are fine people". You are believing what you want to believe rather than looking at what was actually said.

But in the next breath, Trump defended the white nationalists by saying they were the side with the permit to demonstrate - the implication being that the anti-racist counter protest was illegitimate and illegal.

He stated the truth? Is white supremacy an idiotic and stupid belief? Most certainly, but we have this thing called freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. They did have a permit, the others did not, and from what I have heard, the cops stood down and allowed or possibly even drove the white supremacists into the anti-supremacist crowd, which is obviously a very bad idea and one could predict that violence is a guaranteed outcome, so why would this occur? Also, why would the mayor and city council give the permit to people intending on marching for white supremacy? The whole story sounds very odd. If the anti-racism crowd were intending on counter-protesting, why did they not get a permit to do so? Like I said, the entire story is fishy. The patriots claim to have been there to prevent the two sides from colliding in violence and claim that police forced the collision and stood down while violence erupted, this all sounds very insane, why would police allow this to happen, why would the mayor allow this to happen?

I would even go so far as to insist that people should not be able to march for race supremacy, the problem I see there is the abuse of what people will deem ass race supremacy, like people claiming that patriots are a white supremacy group when that is factually not accurate. So they would abuse this law to label people they disagree with as supremacists in order to silence an opposing political side. Hell, they are already doing the dirty and inaccurate labeling game, so to instate such a law would lead to corruption on a much more massive scale to silence a political side. The nature of people really sucks, if we were all honest people we could outlaw such things, but people are better known for lying rather than being honest so things like that can't happen. The good thing is white supremacy believers have been dramatically dropping in numbers, what is sad is that it is now starting to rise again and to me that seem to be directly linked to the people on the left demonizing white people for simply being born white, something they have no control over. The 'knock out game' was very f-ed up, randomly knock a white person out for being white, including women, black males knocking random white people out just for walking past them. This kind of behavior is just as f-ed up as white supremacists. I think that died out though, the knock out game. But, people running around demonizing people for being born white are growing in numbers, as they continue to do this and grow they are going to contribute to white supremacy growing. What it is doing is inciting a race war which is absolutely horrible.

I think we need to seriously invest as much money as we can into advancing towards being able to live in space, migrate to other solar systems, mine resources from planets and possibly make planets suitable for people to live on. Of course that is a dream right now, we are very far away from that, but I feel that is the only way we will escape all of this hate. It would be so very great for us to just be able to part ways, let the racist people gather on a ship and head off, let the people who like living with a mixture of race and culture gather on a ship and go our separate way. I would go off with the people with multi culture and race. Any time a group bands together to have opposite opinions and don't like how things are can be supplied another ship so they can head off on their own path.

People will always find reasons to hate others, so people will always be wanting their own ships to band together on. At least we will be able to get away from those we disagree with in this scenario. I've stated this before, people just like to hate. I don't want to be unfair and say all people, there are many people that are really nice and not hateful, I am one of those people, I may hate views but I don't tend to hate people. But the majority of people, i think, have something about them that allows them to cheat others, take advantage of others and hate on others. I love to use this example, If we were all one race only it would not solve anything, people would still find reasons to hate each-other.

Yes, the white nationalists had the right to speak. But words have consequences, and those resisting the ideas of a speaker have the right to express disagreement.
The White nationalists weren't being attacked for being white.
If things were badly handled during the Unite the Right march by the municipal authorities and police, it doesn't mean it has to have been a communist/anti-right wing conspiracy.
What happened there in Virginia had nothing to do with so called racial discrimination against whites.