Kraichgauer
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25 Jun 2019, 5:20 pm
JohnPowell wrote:
The uranium deal, as I understand it, was totally legal and legit. No one tried to hide anything, because there was no wrong doing. It's you Trumpers who have blown it up into something it never was.
By the way, I'm hardly ever going to consider Wikileaks a reliable source about anything. Instead of crusaders for the truth, Assange and his team had started out as anarchists who had accidentally done the right thing. Today, they're hired guns bought and paid for by Russia.
As for calling me a liar: what bounces off of me sticks to you.
25 Jun 2019, 5:33 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Crimadella wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Crimadella wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I'm pretty certain I don't have egg on my face. Trump has hardly hurt Russia at all, save for a few incidents that were probably staged. Trump loves strongmen (which in fact does include Netenyahu), because he desperately wants to be one himself. And straight out of the totalitarian strongman playbook is the denial of facts, replaced with propaganda spewed by the Dear Leader. And for the record, I don't hate Russia for the Cold War, or really any reason. Rather, I view Putin and his circle of mobster oligarchs as an existential threat to my country, spurred on by a craving for revenge that has grown out of losing the Cold War.
By the way, Alex Jones fans the flames of the lunatic right with conspiracy theories about murdered children having never existed, heartlessly causing mourning loved ones to relive their trauma. Nobody working for CNN is that sort of scumbag. But Trump certainly is, as he's praised that fat f*ck and his insane ramblings.
By the way, Alex Jones fans the flames of the lunatic right with conspiracy theories about murdered children having never existed, heartlessly causing mourning loved ones to relive their trauma. Nobody working for CNN is that sort of scumbag. But Trump certainly is, as he's praised that fat f*ck and his insane ramblings.
Staged?
Yeah you have a lot of egg on your face. Rather than change when the evidence or lack of proves you wrong you make up or repeat some wacky conspiracy theory. I'm not going to keep repeating myself and wasting my time debunking you when you never learn or change. 'Strongman' doesn't mean anything. CNN lie about war and push war propaganda that leads to millions of deaths. They ignore Israel and the Saudis murdering children. They are worse than Jones and they parrot war propaganda even when Trump is pushing it. Utter disgrace.
Strongman does have a meaning. It encompasses your Dear Leaders like Trump, Ormon, Putin, Kim, etc, who consolidate power by means of an anti Democratic cult of personality, in which the press is suppressed, the truth is based on the whim of the strongman, and an enemy without and within becomes the Devil. You with your Antisemitism and your hatred of America makes you a willing pawn in the fall of the west. Your whole notion of Obamagate is just one part of the dream of an illiberal west that you are knowingly or unknowingly help to usher in with the millions of other nationalists.
It's so amazing how you describe what the democrats did yet insist it's what Trump did, he was simply the "target" of the scandal, it's your heroes that are the actual criminals trying to set it up so the can frame any candidate they may have beat hillary. If Trump had did a tiny fraction of the things they did he would be in prison right now, that much is incredibly obvious. They areally corrupt as s**t and try to blame Trump for the things they actually did. Imagine Trump demolishing computers and whipping drives, attempting to destroy 30,000 email muller wanted to see, the democrats would be going ape s**t and he would be convicted. Just as John stated, it's pointless to say these things to you, you are a conspiracy theorist who will stick to your beliefs no matter what kind of evidence is presented. If some of the go to prison I imagine you will say they were framed.
That's very naive. Trump got away with plenty of sh*t as a dirty businessman for decades; that's how he's getting away with all this now. But now the spotlight is on him, and evidence is accumulating.
What have the Dems allegedly done?
Lol, what have they done. Let's see....they sold guns to the cartels, they sold uranium to russia, they paid for false information from Russia and knowingly used that fake information to spy on political rivals, they may have even staged a hack on DNC servers, they used politically influenced intelligence officers, DOJ, CIA, FBI to carry out their corrupt deals to let hillary off the hook for several felony charges(the charges FBI had on her are expected to come out as well) as well as spy on Trump's campaign and try to frame him. The real question is what didn't they do? They have this magical double standard routine they constantly carry out, it's wrong for republicans to do something, even if it isn't illegal, while it doesn't matter if the DNC does extremely illegal things. As said, there is nothing in the muller report other than chopped up information pieced together to try to make it look as if obstruction into a crime that was never commited occurred so they can hold their fake and rather ridiculous congressional hearings all while inviting people who aren't even remotely involved in the muller investigation and have previously been imprisoned specifically for lying to congress. I'm sure I'm forgetting much more, they are doing all of this so all their conspiracy theorist followers stay pumped up. While you say Trump commited crimes and covered them up with a 2 year investigation in which the prosecuters reviewed every bit of information they requested, it will soon be released where the FBI actually has a list of felonies hillary commited all while Obama was aware might I add, and let her off, the real cover up. I know, I know, none of it's real, it's all a conspiracy and cover up with no evidence to suggest it, other than all the corruption within the DNC, DOJ, CIA, and FBI actually has records that are proving their corruption is real. You sure do put a strange level of faith in the DNC, FBI could have evidence that they murdered people and you would deny it, actually when they sold guns to the cartel, they used those guns to murder peopke. Anyway, watch the entire story flip as Bar is now investigating the beginning of the story, and it's seeming that it's possible it will be revealed that Putin actually wanted hillary to win so he could get some more uranium, Putin is aware that hillary is for sale.
Selling uranium to Russia is totally fiction in order to draw attention away from Trump's corrupt doings. I've never heard of that crap of cartels being sold guns, but I'm certain it's the same sort of BS that includes the uranium deal. That Trump lackey, Barr, can make threats about conducting investigations all he wants, but the lack of worry among the Dems shows that none of it is real - - very different from Trump's frenzied terror in response to the real investigations into his dirty dealing.
I'm sure you haven't. It's public information, it's two scandals within Obama's presidency. Fast and furious is the scandal where guns were sold to criminals, it became public around the time that a US border patrol was killed by one of the guns they sold to the cartels. Uranium One is the scandal involving Hillary selling uranium rights over some uranium sources to the Russian government.
25 Jun 2019, 5:34 pm
25 Jun 2019, 5:35 pm
25 Jun 2019, 5:36 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
The uranium deal, as I understand it, was totally legal and legit. No one tried to hide anything, because there was no wrong doing. It's you Trumpers who have blown it up into something it never was.
By the way, I'm hardly ever going to consider Wikileaks a reliable source about anything. Instead of crusaders for the truth, Assange and his team had started out as anarchists who had accidentally done the right thing. Today, they're hired guns bought and paid for by Russia.
As for calling me a liar: what bounces off of me sticks to you.
Yes it was perfectly legal...almost, other than using loop holes to get paid off for Hillary to sign off on the deal. Let me guess, you also think that selling the Russians uranium is a wise decision? Obviously not, so why was it done? For money.
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25 Jun 2019, 5:44 pm
Crimadella wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Crimadella wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Crimadella wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I'm pretty certain I don't have egg on my face. Trump has hardly hurt Russia at all, save for a few incidents that were probably staged. Trump loves strongmen (which in fact does include Netenyahu), because he desperately wants to be one himself. And straight out of the totalitarian strongman playbook is the denial of facts, replaced with propaganda spewed by the Dear Leader. And for the record, I don't hate Russia for the Cold War, or really any reason. Rather, I view Putin and his circle of mobster oligarchs as an existential threat to my country, spurred on by a craving for revenge that has grown out of losing the Cold War.
By the way, Alex Jones fans the flames of the lunatic right with conspiracy theories about murdered children having never existed, heartlessly causing mourning loved ones to relive their trauma. Nobody working for CNN is that sort of scumbag. But Trump certainly is, as he's praised that fat f*ck and his insane ramblings.
By the way, Alex Jones fans the flames of the lunatic right with conspiracy theories about murdered children having never existed, heartlessly causing mourning loved ones to relive their trauma. Nobody working for CNN is that sort of scumbag. But Trump certainly is, as he's praised that fat f*ck and his insane ramblings.
Staged?
Yeah you have a lot of egg on your face. Rather than change when the evidence or lack of proves you wrong you make up or repeat some wacky conspiracy theory. I'm not going to keep repeating myself and wasting my time debunking you when you never learn or change. 'Strongman' doesn't mean anything. CNN lie about war and push war propaganda that leads to millions of deaths. They ignore Israel and the Saudis murdering children. They are worse than Jones and they parrot war propaganda even when Trump is pushing it. Utter disgrace.
Strongman does have a meaning. It encompasses your Dear Leaders like Trump, Ormon, Putin, Kim, etc, who consolidate power by means of an anti Democratic cult of personality, in which the press is suppressed, the truth is based on the whim of the strongman, and an enemy without and within becomes the Devil. You with your Antisemitism and your hatred of America makes you a willing pawn in the fall of the west. Your whole notion of Obamagate is just one part of the dream of an illiberal west that you are knowingly or unknowingly help to usher in with the millions of other nationalists.
It's so amazing how you describe what the democrats did yet insist it's what Trump did, he was simply the "target" of the scandal, it's your heroes that are the actual criminals trying to set it up so the can frame any candidate they may have beat hillary. If Trump had did a tiny fraction of the things they did he would be in prison right now, that much is incredibly obvious. They areally corrupt as s**t and try to blame Trump for the things they actually did. Imagine Trump demolishing computers and whipping drives, attempting to destroy 30,000 email muller wanted to see, the democrats would be going ape s**t and he would be convicted. Just as John stated, it's pointless to say these things to you, you are a conspiracy theorist who will stick to your beliefs no matter what kind of evidence is presented. If some of the go to prison I imagine you will say they were framed.
That's very naive. Trump got away with plenty of sh*t as a dirty businessman for decades; that's how he's getting away with all this now. But now the spotlight is on him, and evidence is accumulating.
What have the Dems allegedly done?
Lol, what have they done. Let's see....they sold guns to the cartels, they sold uranium to russia, they paid for false information from Russia and knowingly used that fake information to spy on political rivals, they may have even staged a hack on DNC servers, they used politically influenced intelligence officers, DOJ, CIA, FBI to carry out their corrupt deals to let hillary off the hook for several felony charges(the charges FBI had on her are expected to come out as well) as well as spy on Trump's campaign and try to frame him. The real question is what didn't they do? They have this magical double standard routine they constantly carry out, it's wrong for republicans to do something, even if it isn't illegal, while it doesn't matter if the DNC does extremely illegal things. As said, there is nothing in the muller report other than chopped up information pieced together to try to make it look as if obstruction into a crime that was never commited occurred so they can hold their fake and rather ridiculous congressional hearings all while inviting people who aren't even remotely involved in the muller investigation and have previously been imprisoned specifically for lying to congress. I'm sure I'm forgetting much more, they are doing all of this so all their conspiracy theorist followers stay pumped up. While you say Trump commited crimes and covered them up with a 2 year investigation in which the prosecuters reviewed every bit of information they requested, it will soon be released where the FBI actually has a list of felonies hillary commited all while Obama was aware might I add, and let her off, the real cover up. I know, I know, none of it's real, it's all a conspiracy and cover up with no evidence to suggest it, other than all the corruption within the DNC, DOJ, CIA, and FBI actually has records that are proving their corruption is real. You sure do put a strange level of faith in the DNC, FBI could have evidence that they murdered people and you would deny it, actually when they sold guns to the cartel, they used those guns to murder peopke. Anyway, watch the entire story flip as Bar is now investigating the beginning of the story, and it's seeming that it's possible it will be revealed that Putin actually wanted hillary to win so he could get some more uranium, Putin is aware that hillary is for sale.
Selling uranium to Russia is totally fiction in order to draw attention away from Trump's corrupt doings. I've never heard of that crap of cartels being sold guns, but I'm certain it's the same sort of BS that includes the uranium deal. That Trump lackey, Barr, can make threats about conducting investigations all he wants, but the lack of worry among the Dems shows that none of it is real - - very different from Trump's frenzied terror in response to the real investigations into his dirty dealing.
I'm sure you haven't. It's public information, it's two scandals within Obama's presidency. Fast and furious is the scandal where guns were sold to criminals, it became public around the time that a US border patrol was killed by one of the guns they sold to the cartels. Uranium One is the scandal involving Hillary selling uranium rights over some uranium sources to the Russian government.
Fast And Furious was the f*ck up of the local FBI office which operated it all. As I recall, nobody got convicted over that, despite the fact that the Republicans tried finding dirt on Obama.
If the uranium deal was illegal, Trump must be pulling his hair out over the chance for missing a deal like that with Putin.
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26 Jun 2019, 12:57 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Not convicted is not the same as did not do it.
Trump's personality makes people want to do everything in the power to take him down. His "loose lips" provide ammunition for people wanting to take him down.
Obama was careful and people liked him and yes I am go to say it, people were afraid or did not want to take down the first black president down.
The Clinton's are masters of knowing how to do just enough to not get caught.
Trump's personality makes people want to do everything in the power to take him down. His "loose lips" provide ammunition for people wanting to take him down.
Obama was careful and people liked him and yes I am go to say it, people were afraid or did not want to take down the first black president down.
The Clinton's are masters of knowing how to do just enough to not get caught.
But the Republicans did want to take down Obama. The truth is, the first black American President has always been a real gentleman and truly honest. That last is why he was never convicted of anything.
You're delusional.
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26 Jun 2019, 1:06 am
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Not convicted is not the same as did not do it.
Trump's personality makes people want to do everything in the power to take him down. His "loose lips" provide ammunition for people wanting to take him down.
Obama was careful and people liked him and yes I am go to say it, people were afraid or did not want to take down the first black president down.
The Clinton's are masters of knowing how to do just enough to not get caught.
Trump's personality makes people want to do everything in the power to take him down. His "loose lips" provide ammunition for people wanting to take him down.
Obama was careful and people liked him and yes I am go to say it, people were afraid or did not want to take down the first black president down.
The Clinton's are masters of knowing how to do just enough to not get caught.
But the Republicans did want to take down Obama. The truth is, the first black American President has always been a real gentleman and truly honest. That last is why he was never convicted of anything.
You're delusional.
You seemingly think Trump is the epitome of honesty and Christian faith, despite all evidence to the contrary. Obama was hardly perfect, but he might as well have been compared to your orange messiah.
26 Jun 2019, 1:56 am
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