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13 May 2023, 5:47 pm

Unless you're cishet, white, Christian, then yeah. They're like f**k everyone else basically.


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13 May 2023, 5:48 pm

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If one believes a meaning of a word has been changed in a way that is wrong/inaccurate/accurate or somewhat accurate but now is counterproductive is one supposed to "oh well, the new way of defining the word is inevitable" just accept it?

But the type of voter I am talking about is generally not trying to police vocabulary but trying to resist others policing them be it from people on the left trying to tell them all whites are privilaged, or people on the right trying to tell them trans=groomer.


I didn't suggest one can't resist language changing, but fundamentally it's impossible to do much more than note your disagreement while accepting what the word means in common usage. There comes a point where digging in on the disagreement over nomenclature becomes counterproductive; eventually the conversation will just cease to include people who refuse to accept the jargon because they don't contribute anything of value, just needless distraction.

As for 'policing', pointing out reality doesn't force others to accept it. One can deny the notion of white privilege all they like, it just reduces their credibility. Denying reality makes one's opinions seem detached from reality and not worth considering.

People are entitled to dismiss opinions they don't feel are grounded in reality. This might be hurtful to one being dismissed's feelings but since when was that the same as policing another's opinions?


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13 May 2023, 10:17 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
If one believes a meaning of a word has been changed in a way that is wrong/inaccurate/accurate or somewhat accurate but now is counterproductive is one supposed to "oh well, the new way of defining the word is inevitable" just accept it?

But the type of voter I am talking about is generally not trying to police vocabulary but trying to resist others policing them be it from people on the left trying to tell them all whites are privilaged, or people on the right trying to tell them trans=groomer.


I didn't suggest one can't resist language changing, but fundamentally it's impossible to do much more than note your disagreement while accepting what the word means in common usage. There comes a point where digging in on the disagreement over nomenclature becomes counterproductive; eventually the conversation will just cease to include people who refuse to accept the jargon because they don't contribute anything of value, just needless distraction.

As for 'policing', pointing out reality doesn't force others to accept it. One can deny the notion of white privilege all they like, it just reduces their credibility. Denying reality makes one's opinions seem detached from reality and not worth considering.

People are entitled to dismiss opinions they don't feel are grounded in reality. This might be hurtful to one being dismissed's feelings but since when was that the same as policing another's opinions?


It won't be the first time I have been an outlier about something which is probably true of most people here, so I do understand the many disadvantages of going one way when the rest of the world is going another way. But sometimes one has got to do to be true. I may be wrong but don't think "privilege" has gotten to nearly the lost cause status of "colored people" or 'Negro".

Policing goes on all the time be it in the office wherein a lot of it goes way beyond don't curse or speak badly of the company. Then there is social media where "I am just trying to explain something to you" is often disingenuous


And no matter how Packman defines "woke" I still don't think the country is as much on the same page as him as he thinks they are.


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14 May 2023, 12:02 am

Republican candidates have long competed against one another and the Democrats over who is the most hardhearted. This is a party that sees a lack of empath as a virtue, and celebrate how many people they judge as leaches and eaters they can punish by leaving them with nothing.


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14 May 2023, 5:09 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Republican candidates have long competed against one another and the Democrats over who is the most hardhearted. This is a party that sees a lack of empath as a virtue, and celebrate how many people they judge as leaches and eaters they can punish by leaving them with nothing.


The GOP was ruined for me once the Tea Party took it over.

Today, even W would be considered a "woke socialist".


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14 May 2023, 9:36 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Republican candidates have long competed against one another and the Democrats over who is the most hardhearted. This is a party that sees a lack of empath as a virtue, and celebrate how many people they judge as leaches and eaters they can punish by leaving them with nothing.


The GOP was ruined for me once the Tea Party took it over.

Today, even W would be considered a "woke socialist".


I think even their patron saint, Ronald Reagan, wouldn't be electable today.


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11 Aug 2023, 4:28 am

the right wing is itching for another civil war.



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11 Aug 2023, 7:23 am

Yet people will keep voting for them.

Aside from the swing states, how can we get the super-red states (Mississippi, Idaho, Nebraska. etc) to turn blue?


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11 Aug 2023, 8:12 am

Florida voters are well off retirees from other states. This allows them to form an effective voting block.
Voters that are easy to appeal to with hard right policies that ignore liberals and moderates.

Many of the workers are immigrants that can't vote, except with their feet, by working in other states.
This skews voting in a number of states on the southern border of the United States.
You have a low working class with no voting rights in elections.



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11 Aug 2023, 8:24 am

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In the old days GOPers would brand a GOPer who was too Liberal as "Republican in name only". But Trump brands ALL traditional Republicans (like Pense, Romney, etc) as "RINOS" because they uphold the rule of law and believe in democracy (both of which Trump wants to dispense with).


In fairness, even traditional Republicans would call Romney a RINO, as per the original definition. It's not just Trump with him; even pre-Trump, during his days as governor of Mass., traditional Republicans saw Romney as a Republican-in-name-only. Poor example.



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11 Aug 2023, 9:01 am

They played themselves into a corner. They GOP and it's base and conservative news have constructed an echo chamber where having the government do anything is evil, regulating corporations are evil, and liberal social changes are evil. But what are they going to suggest the government do? The government actively trying to solve the GOP base's problems would be, to them, socialism and therefore evil. But they're slowly realizing that corporations are not going to fix their problems, regardless of how hard they try to elect people to slash corporate taxes. So the GOP have nothing left to believe in except Got-Mine libertarianism and nationalism.
What solution do these people expect from the GOP--even if it decided to stop being the dismissive, anti-solution party of F*** You? Businesses don't pretend to care about them. The political class is too moderate for them. The media despise them, except conservative media which makes money making them more and more outraged with everything.
If anybody sees a way for the GOP to get out of this self-imposed, ideologically incoherent tailspin, then please tell me.


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11 Aug 2023, 4:04 pm

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Yet people will keep voting for them.

Aside from the swing states, how can we get the super-red states (Mississippi, Idaho, Nebraska. etc) to turn blue?


Covertly colonize them with droves of voters from blue states.


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11 Aug 2023, 4:34 pm

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Yet people will keep voting for them.

Aside from the swing states, how can we get the super-red states (Mississippi, Idaho, Nebraska. etc) to turn blue?


Hope their kids grow up with fewer toxic ideas.


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11 Aug 2023, 4:49 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
Yet people will keep voting for them.

Aside from the swing states, how can we get the super-red states (Mississippi, Idaho, Nebraska. etc) to turn blue?


Hope their kids grow up with fewer toxic ideas.

they are out-reproducing everybody else, and successfully brainwashing their kids with hate and class snobbery.



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11 Aug 2023, 7:22 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
Yet people will keep voting for them.

Aside from the swing states, how can we get the super-red states (Mississippi, Idaho, Nebraska. etc) to turn blue?


Covertly colonize them with droves of voters from blue states.


People in blue states are boycotting the red states, and their power is hindered by voter suppression.

Supposedly, many people that are relocating to Texas are moving from California, but there's a huge divide between cities like L.A. and San Francisco, and cities like Bakersfield (Kevin McCarthy's home base) and Fresno. I don't know of any info that states what parts of Cali they're coming from.


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11 Aug 2023, 8:07 pm

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At least they've stopped talking about prayer in schools.


They'll be back at it soon, wanting to make it mandatory. It's a holy war to them.


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