Israeli nationalists chant ‘death to Arabs’ in Jerusalem

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But it might help in calibrating the tone of this thread that ethno-nationalism is not the same as patriotism.

^^^ I have always maintained that you have to look at this now perpetual conflict from both sides. Simply putting Israeli citizens perspectives into the dustbin is not constructive, especially when they elect governments.

this thread is about some Israeli nationalists calling for "death to arabs" as reflecting wider Israeli views. Really? so when some Americans called for "bombing the crap out of Arabs" following 9-11 it was seen as a reaction to terrorism not reflecting mainstream American values. that's my point, Israeli patriotism is not fascism and comparisons to German Nazism is (in my view) wildly inappropriate.

You can't help people on both sides who say "god ordained this land" or "allah is with us". But it might help in calibrating the tone of this thread that ethno-nationalism is not the same as patriotism. Many young Israelis are proud to serve to protect their country, family and loved ones. while I strongly disagree with killing Palestinian civilians (and yes, Netanyahu is a war criminal) conflating Israeli patriotism with fascism is falling for what HAMAS planned all along. to instigate a heavy handed response from the IDF and make Israel lose international support. From that perspective it's a wildly successful tactical victory for HAMAS.

Netanyahu has also fear mongered for a long time so naturally Israelis are scared. that some say stupid things about Arabs doesn't mean you can't win over the rest of the Israeli people and prove that it's possible for their children to live in safety and peace. But that requires assurances of peace from Gaza and the west bank.

It’s bizarre. Apparently, it’s okay for certain groups of people to commit genocide and for certain others to be victims of it.

Humanity has a ways to go. Much further than I thought a few years ago.

If they want peace, just like Russians, they need to stop being the aggressor and go back home.

Israel complaining about HAMAS (and other resistance groups) is like a burglar complaining that the home owners dog bit them.

Israel can’t expect to live in peace when they are denying human rights to others as they have consistently done in an astonishing variety of ways. Maybe I should make a master thread on that topic if there isn’t one already for reference.

Israel should lose international support, not necessities if they are needed, because of consistent human rights/international law violations over the past few decades. It’s not rocket science. At some point, enough needs to be enough.

This isn't helpful here, the Israelis have been stealing land and murdering the inhabitants for decades. There may well be Israelis that don't support this, but they are very much in the minority. The modern Israel state is somewhere between Apartheid South Africa and Nazi Germany and we really don't need people covering for them. They can afford to pay for propaganda. For decades the militants in Gaza would send a missile over and roughly 10 of theirs would be killed for every Israeli. Humanitarian and development supplies are regularly blocked.

I would say both sides won't let the other live in peace. HAMAS don't need provocation.

^ That’s very far removed from what needs to happen and any real justice. Ceasefire and “reparations” are not enough. Things can’t continue as they have since Israel’s inception.

How would Israel pay reparations for 55,000+ people? What would that look like? If I was on the receiving end of that, if they wanted to give me reparations for a child they slaughtered, I’d rather tell them to go f**k themselves.

International monitors need to make sure that Israel receives actual consequences when they violate human rights and international law moving forward. Israel has always been the aggressor. If they don’t want retaliation, they need to stop behaving like a**holes. Much needs to change within Israeli government and, perhaps, society.

False equivalence. This isn’t about two roughly equal countries warring with each other. Israel has stolen land and engaged in ethnic cleansing. They committed many other atrocities for decades. Palestine was deemed an open-air prison. Israel is committing genocide as we speak. Come on.

Sure, Israel must cease fire but only when international monitors are in place to ensure no HAMAS retaliation. After that enter into negotiations using a third party HAMAS will talk to release the last 55 civilian hostages and only then pay reparations directly to the families of dead Palestinian civilians (not to HAMAS as they have a history of diverting aid money meant for Gazans to buy weapons).

The pro-Israel crowd talks about Oct. 7th a lot as though things were fine before then, but the problems this thread and others discuss extend well-beyond that day and the genocide that followed. Anti-Arab sentiment that’s often rooted in Zionism, especially of the more radical variety, existed long before October 7th.

except when the owner gets the dog to attack and kill the burglar's kids. that's no longer resistance it's called terrorism.
https://globalsanctions.com/region/hamas-pij/

looks like the homeowner's neighbours consider the dog dangerous and needs to be put down...