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The_Face_of_Boo
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19 Jun 2025, 2:47 am

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Iranian people (like Indian people) are culturally far more progressive and modern than other middle eastern and central Asian societies who are largely backward, feudal and tribal.


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Not really, you're wrong on both accounts.

Many Iranians are far more backward than any other Middle Eastern nation, hardliners have more than 70% of parliament seats.



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19 Jun 2025, 3:05 am

I mean Iran was progressive under the Shah.



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19 Jun 2025, 3:52 am

The whole region was more progressive in the 70s.

Check Afghanistan in the 70s.



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19 Jun 2025, 4:08 am

Yeah true



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19 Jun 2025, 6:05 am

NBC News Live Updates

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REACTOR AND HOSPITAL STRUCK: As the conflict entered its seventh day, Israel said the targets of its overnight attacks included Iran's Arak nuclear reactor and a nuclear weapons development site in the Natanz area. Israel said it would "increase the intensity of attacks" after a hospital in southern Israel was directly hit by an Iranian missile.

IRAN’S NUCLEAR SITES TARGETED: Israel’s airstrikes on Iran have probably set the country’s nuclear program back by a few months, two sources with knowledge of the matter told NBC News, though it has not achieved its stated goal of eliminating the program entirely.

TRUMP WEIGHS OPTIONS: President Donald Trump said he was still considering a U.S. military strike on Iran’s nuclear sites. “I may do it. I may not do it,” he said. “Nobody knows what I’m going to do.”

SUPREME LEADER DEFIANT: Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said Trump’s call for his country’s surrender was “threatening and ridiculous,” and warned that U.S. intervention would cause “irreparable damage.”

HUNDREDS KILLED: Israeli strikes have killed at least 639 people in Iran during the weeklong conflict, The Associated Press reported, citing a Washington-based human rights group. Israel said its death toll remained at 24.


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19 Jun 2025, 8:03 am

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Estimated radiations reach in case a total blast of Dimona reactors, at least this what this pic with no sources claimes; well...it can be BS but it's bad even if it's 1/4 the size.

It's time to prepare the kit

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19 Jun 2025, 9:31 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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Estimated radiations reach in case a total blast of Dimona reactors, at least this what this pic with no sources claimes; well...it can be BS but it's bad even if it's 1/4 the size.

It's time to prepare the kit

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So you think Iran is fanatical and suicidal enough to wipe out Palestine and more for the cause of wiping out Israel?.

Another scenario that would not be as bad but would wipe out Israel and Palestine is adding chemical or biological weapons to the missiles.

In either case Israeli would use the Sampson option. Unlike using WMD’s on the Palestinians Iran is 1,000 miles away.


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19 Jun 2025, 1:57 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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Estimated radiations reach in case a total blast of Dimona reactors, at least this what this pic with no sources claimes; well...it can be BS but it's bad even if it's 1/4 the size.

It's time to prepare the kit

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What do you mean "total blast"? Is that like all of them detonating as if they were a nuclear bomb?

Does anyone really believe they could detonate like a nuclear bomb?

Or is that the spread of nuclear materials if hit by a bomb? You definitely wouldn't want to be anywhere near it if that happened.



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19 Jun 2025, 6:04 pm

I think the clerics hatred of Israel is sufficient to not care what happens to Palestinians. Iran's coordination of the Oct 7 attacks was banking on severe IDF retaliation, they and HAMAS knew hiding 200 Israeli hostages under Gaza hospitals would result in deaths of thousands of innocent Palestinians.

the Palestinian people have always been the pawns of Arab ethno-nationalists from Egypt's Nasser rallying the Arab league of nations to attack Israel. Iran are just ethe latest to use Palestinians as pawns for their own ambitions.



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19 Jun 2025, 6:21 pm

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I think the clerics hatred of Israel is sufficient to not care what happens to Palestinians. Iran's coordination of the Oct 7 attacks was banking on severe IDF retaliation, they and HAMAS knew hiding 200 Israeli hostages under Gaza hospitals would result in deaths of thousands of innocent Palestinians.

the Palestinian people have always been the pawns of Arab ethno-nationalists from Egypt's Nasser rallying the Arab league of nations to attack Israel. Iran are just ethe latest to use Palestinians as pawns for their own ambitions.

You make it sound like Israel wouldn't have bombed the hospitals anyways. They've been refusing to allow materials into Gaza to build hospitals for years. Up until this point, Iran has been showing a level of restraint and respect for human life that the Israelis have not. Unlike Israel, Iran seems to be genuinely attacking legitimate targets.

Anyways, it's a bit of a moot point as Israel intentionally uses civilians as human shields, that's a large part of why Mossad's headquarters is in the middle of a populated city. From what I can tell, they bet wrong about all of this. They've only destroyed like 2/3 of Iran's launchers and are a matter of a few days away from being completely out of their supplies to shoot down Iran's missiles.

The real question is whether the US can avoid being dragged into this stupid war. I personally say, let Iran wipe Israel off the map if they can. Israel doesn't have an inherent right to exist any more than the other countries in the region. Arguably less, since they're involved in active wars against like 5 other countries and attacked Iran more or less unprovoked.

Israel should have been built on German land after WWII, it would have avoided a lot of this nonsense.



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19 Jun 2025, 10:56 pm

So basically you would have supported the genocide of Jews during WW2?

And I'm feeling the silence here...



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19 Jun 2025, 11:33 pm

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So basically you would have supported the genocide of Jews during WW2?

And I'm feeling the silence here...

Who? I don't see this following from what anybody has said here. The Jews in WW2 were not going around engaging in crimes against humanity in order to drag the US, UK and Soviets into a war with Germany, Italy and Japan.



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Seems both the more Radicalized of each of the respective religions, have both predicted some final Great battle of Good vs Bad peoples religion. Raised their children to believe it ..Then as the world progressed numbers of their younger populations started to believe there might be another way . In order to fulfill their homemade prophecies
respectively . That is the basis of the control of their populations . But this is just a different interpetation from my
own point of veiw. And the all the money is in the hands of these older generations Ogliarchs its the " status quo"
The crazies are running the Looney bin .


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Jakki wrote:
Seems both the more Radicalized of each of the respective religions, have both predicted some final Great battle of Good vs Bad peoples religion. Raised their children to believe it ..Then as the world progressed numbers of their younger populations started to believe there might be another way . In order to fulfill their homemade prophecies
respectively . That is the basis of the control of their populations . But this is just a different interpetation from my
own point of veiw. And the all the money is in the hands of these older generations Ogliarchs its the " status quo"
The crazies are running the Looney bin .

Yes although it's not both sides being as bad. It's worth noting that while the Iranians domestic policy leaves a ton to be desired, they are at least not deliberately attacking civilians or nonmilitary assets. From what I can tell, if the American people make enough phone calls to our elected representatives, especially the White House, to keep us out of the war for even a week, that might be enough for the Iranians to finish off Israel's critical military infrastructure and the various weapons systems they've been using to terrorize the region.

Long term though, pretty much whatever happens, the Iranians are probably going to get nukes.



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Yesterday, 12:51 am

MatchboxVagabond wrote:
CherokeeDeathRose13 wrote:
So basically you would have supported the genocide of Jews during WW2?

And I'm feeling the silence here...

Who? I don't see this following from what anybody has said here. The Jews in WW2 were not going around engaging in crimes against humanity in order to drag the US, UK and Soviets into a war with Germany, Italy and Japan.


And yet you said they should all be wiped out while making up lies about Iran.

I may be just another American idiot with no valid opinion to offer on anything but at least I'm not stupid enough to fall for gaslighting like everybody else on the internet seems to be.

I'm done for real this time. I have no more use for the internet or this hateful world for that matter.



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MatchboxVagabond wrote:
You make it sound like Israel wouldn't have bombed the hospitals anyways. They've been refusing to allow materials into Gaza to build hospitals for years.


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/us/p ... hamas.html