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28 Jun 2025, 8:33 pm

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How do you even make a religion

I thought it came from the sky


You start a cult and become a cult leader. A cult is essentially a baby religion. There's a old joke says you get a religion when you have a cult and add 100 years.



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28 Jun 2025, 9:47 pm

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
babybird wrote:
How do you even make a religion

I thought it came from the sky


You start a cult and become a cult leader. A cult is essentially a baby religion. There's a old joke says you get a religion when you have a cult and add 100 years.

Yes, totally agree. And all you need to start a cult is a Machiavellian. So that's the kernel of it all, to my mind: a charismatic leader who is high in Machiavellian personality trait, but stopping just short of Machiavellian Personality Disorder. Note the careful distinction here between trait (we all have traits to some extent or other), and disorder.

You can all argue until the end of time, as to what the right and wrong views are, that a doctrine or religion should have. But I say those views come secondarily, not primarily. It's the psychology of the leader that is primary. And dark psychology at that - high Machiavellian personality trait being the "kernel".

"How is Machiavellianism different from Psychopathy and Narcissism? | The Dark Triad Traits":


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29 Jun 2025, 5:05 am

Kada, this is a great topic, thanks for creating it. You had many good points. I would like to add more, for I fear it just wouldn't take off and fly, as it were, otherwise. There's alot of unintuitive dynamics as to how human nature generally works, when large groups of people organize into religions.

Please forgive the following windy rant:


Creating a religion is suprisingly hard, I say.

- you're going to need said miracles mentioned earlier. These miracles need to be things like psychic powers, or convincingly seeing into other dimensions with heavenly beings. This is not to mention having supremely good vibes on a consistent basis from all that skillful meditation and yoga you did, etc. Skills and talents such as charisma and performative showmanship, reading the room (hard to do; especially if you're autistic :oops:) - this is one part - but exuding authenticly good vibes in front of the audience, is another important part as well.

- incorporate about 50% of ideas from past religions, carrying forward the good, tried-and-true methods and ideas, sloughing off all the historical baggage. Yay, a long-overdue cleaning out of many a dusty broom closet (with many skeletons) of past religions. Some terminology would be re-used - don't cite your sources, as religion is not about intellectual honesty, folks, but is rather about emotional inspiration, if no other thing - and then also re-define some key concepts a bit, putting a more modern spin on them.

- your new doctrine can then present a fresh and original 50% which speaks to the times you live in, and speaks to what Heidegger would call the "Dasein" - the externally-imposed conditions that you were uniquely thrown into as a human being having a modern-day human experience. So here's where you'd put in your highly timely - but none-too-specific - general messages about, say, environmentalism, progressive and compassionate social engagement, skillful living despite Social Media, the role and place of AI, etc... Your doctrine should be carefully stated such that the rubber never really meets the road of you doing anything to improve the world directly. You are merely to be a salesman and embassador of your doctrine - the cherry on top of the whole system - which in turn gets others to take all the direct action, you see.

Doing a few one-offs of "healing of the sick" is a good idea, having said this - just to provide an example for others to follow. It's moreso just sort of a "sales demo" of the concept - just to get others motivated and started in copying your example - but it's not something you should practice regularly, as the leader. As the leader, you have bigger fish to fry, as it were.

By incorporating the 50% from the past, this establishes a nice balance, whereby your religion is familliar enough to adopt, but also has a "unique selling proposition" to be worth converting to - it has something new and compelling.


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29 Jun 2025, 6:30 am

DoniiMann wrote:
Sable Noctis wrote:
...A perfect Example of this is Naos(you wont find any information on it.. its black books kind of stuff) ...


Different to The Order of Nine Angles book 'NAOS'?


Yes that's just Generic Satanism. Twinned with offshoot Practical and not so practical Wicca Magick, renaming the Buddhist Kabala for its own Purpose. the one I'm familiar with was something else, i was lucky to get a look at its printed off pages/notes before having to Burn them(no I didn't burn a book), it was the kind of book that really messes with your head.


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29 Jun 2025, 6:37 am

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Kada, this is a great topic, thanks for creating it. You had many good points. I would like to add more, for I fear it just wouldn't take off and fly, as it were, otherwise. There's alot of unintuitive dynamics as to how human nature generally works, when large groups of people organize into religions.

Please forgive the following windy rant:


Creating a religion is suprisingly hard, I say.

- you're going to need said miracles mentioned earlier. These miracles need to be things like psychic powers, or convincingly seeing into other dimensions with heavenly beings. This is not to mention having supremely good vibes on a consistent basis from all that skillful meditation and yoga you did, etc. Skills and talents such as charisma and performative showmanship, reading the room (hard to do; especially if you're autistic :oops:) - this is one part - but exuding authenticly good vibes in front of the audience, is another important part as well.

- incorporate about 50% of ideas from past religions, carrying forward the good, tried-and-true methods and ideas, sloughing off all the historical baggage. Yay, a long-overdue cleaning out of many a dusty broom closet (with many skeletons) of past religions. Some terminology would be re-used - don't cite your sources, as religion is not about intellectual honesty, folks, but is rather about emotional inspiration, if no other thing - and then also re-define some key concepts a bit, putting a more modern spin on them.

- your new doctrine can then present a fresh and original 50% which speaks to the times you live in, and speaks to what Heidegger would call the "Dasein" - the externally-imposed conditions that you were uniquely thrown into as a human being having a modern-day human experience. So here's where you'd put in your highly timely - but none-too-specific - general messages about, say, environmentalism, progressive and compassionate social engagement, skillful living despite Social Media, the role and place of AI, etc... Your doctrine should be carefully stated such that the rubber never really meets the road of you doing anything to improve the world directly. You are merely to be a salesman and embassador of your doctrine - the cherry on top of the whole system - which in turn gets others to take all the direct action, you see.

Doing a few one-offs of "healing of the sick" is a good idea, having said this - just to provide an example for others to follow. It's moreso just sort of a "sales demo" of the concept - just to get others motivated and started in copying your example - but it's not something you should practice regularly, as the leader. As the leader, you have bigger fish to fry, as it were.

By incorporating the 50% from the past, this establishes a nice balance, whereby your religion is familliar enough to adopt, but also has a "unique selling proposition" to be worth converting to - it has something new and compelling.


Surprisingly accurate! Creating a bridge from what’s familiar while adding or renaming certain aspects under your deity’s own practices is a classic and effective approach. Yet, it might not be as hard as it seems. History shows many major religions began and gained a solid foothold in under five years—and endured for centuries (without naming any, of course).

With a core base and a few like-minded individuals, you can continually build upon it—adding new stories, adapting or reframing established ones, and evolving doctrine organically over time. This dynamic growth often helps maintain relevance and emotional resonance across generations.

charisma and “good vibes” are undeniably crucial, but what’s equally important is creating a narrative that speaks deeply to the lived experience of your followers—addressing their unique social, environmental, and existential contexts without getting bogged down in rigid dogma. By reusing familiar elements while offering fresh perspectives, you make the doctrine approachable yet compelling.

Also, positioning the leader as a catalyst rather than a constant miracle-worker allows the community to take ownership and act—transforming belief into tangible action without overwhelming the figurehead. Small, meaningful rituals or “sales demos” of healing or kindness act as inspiration without becoming performative burdens.

Ultimately, successful religion-building isn’t just about intellectual honesty or historical accuracy, but about crafting a living, breathing system that emotionally motivates and sustains a community over time—balancing tradition with innovation, personal experience with collective meaning.


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29 Jun 2025, 8:26 pm

The type of religion that John Lennon sings about.


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30 Jun 2025, 1:16 am

I prefer Lennonism over Leninism, me. :nerdy:


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30 Jun 2025, 3:44 am

CapedOwl wrote:
Kada, this is a great topic, thanks for creating it. You had many good points. I would like to add more, for I fear it just wouldn't take off and fly, as it were, otherwise. There's alot of unintuitive dynamics as to how human nature generally works, when large groups of people organize into religions.

Please forgive the following windy rant:


Creating a religion is suprisingly hard, I say.

- you're going to need said miracles mentioned earlier. These miracles need to be things like psychic powers, or convincingly seeing into other dimensions with heavenly beings. This is not to mention having supremely good vibes on a consistent basis from all that skillful meditation and yoga you did, etc. Skills and talents such as charisma and performative showmanship, reading the room (hard to do; especially if you're autistic :oops:) - this is one part - but exuding authenticly good vibes in front of the audience, is another important part as well.

- incorporate about 50% of ideas from past religions, carrying forward the good, tried-and-true methods and ideas, sloughing off all the historical baggage. Yay, a long-overdue cleaning out of many a dusty broom closet (with many skeletons) of past religions. Some terminology would be re-used - don't cite your sources, as religion is not about intellectual honesty, folks, but is rather about emotional inspiration, if no other thing - and then also re-define some key concepts a bit, putting a more modern spin on them.

- your new doctrine can then present a fresh and original 50% which speaks to the times you live in, and speaks to what Heidegger would call the "Dasein" - the externally-imposed conditions that you were uniquely thrown into as a human being having a modern-day human experience. So here's where you'd put in your highly timely - but none-too-specific - general messages about, say, environmentalism, progressive and compassionate social engagement, skillful living despite Social Media, the role and place of AI, etc... Your doctrine should be carefully stated such that the rubber never really meets the road of you doing anything to improve the world directly. You are merely to be a salesman and embassador of your doctrine - the cherry on top of the whole system - which in turn gets others to take all the direct action, you see.

Doing a few one-offs of "healing of the sick" is a good idea, having said this - just to provide an example for others to follow. It's moreso just sort of a "sales demo" of the concept - just to get others motivated and started in copying your example - but it's not something you should practice regularly, as the leader. As the leader, you have bigger fish to fry, as it were.

By incorporating the 50% from the past, this establishes a nice balance, whereby your religion is familliar enough to adopt, but also has a "unique selling proposition" to be worth converting to - it has something new and compelling.


-> Very happy my attempt at humor has led to some deeper and funnier comments here. :)

And indeed maestro CapedOwl: Creating a religion is surprisingly hard.
And you've hit on a theme I thought would have popped up here sooner;
in that 'successful' religions these days share an uncomfortable amount of logistics with corporations as well as the moniker: "If something is free, you’re not the customer, you’re the product being sold."

Religion to me and feel free to counter my statement, is or has become again "god of the gaps"-religion. We have gone through an age where full scientific, physical explanation seemed within reach and as such religion was pushed into it 'moral referee'-costume. Now in 2025 there has not been explosive progress felt by the average man and the need for our old trope is again gaining popularity... unfortunately :)
->Just my opinion.

Kind regards,
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30 Jun 2025, 9:35 pm

When studying ancient Greek mythology I took a particular liking to the muse Euterpe, as she is said to have created the aulos and other wind instruments. It may not be super evident (although it is in the obscure meaning of my username), but I'm like a major wind instrument nerd, could even call it a special interest. So when I found a deity said to have created wind instruments, I was so enamored.

I didn't think I'd ever talk about this with anyone else, like ever, but in my The Sims game I have a fake religion with Euterpe as the deity. Apollo is kinda the devil. This is all in jest, of course. It's based off of my personal bitterness with since the ancient Greek era, string instruments being preferred throughout all eras - a phenomenon that was influenced by the writings of the ancient Greek philosophers, who kinda scoffed at the aulos while lifting up the lyre, IIRC. For anyone who knows even a little western art and music history, the ancient Greeks (or at least how their writings were interpreted/misinterpreted) were a claimed inspiration throughout the different eras (most famously the Renaissance, but it is not exclusive to that era).

So.. of course, bitter from that, I created this silly religion in the game. The religion makes no sense, of course. Aesthetically I used a mixture of ancient Greek and ancient Catholic architecture. I still mean to create some more CC for it. I have a statue of Euterpe that I use in a replica of an ancient Greek temple. xD But despite using Catholic aesthetic, that's where the similarities to Catholicism stop, of course. I don't want Christianity in my game in any way, shape or form, but I do use the aesthetics (not the cross, or Bible, but I mean, like the cathedrals, which, yes, I know they're shaped like a cross. It's a minor thing in my eyes.) And, because I'm not talented at modding, it's not really even functionally a religion in the game or anything. Those don't exist in the game (for good reason). If I ever became a better modder, I might play around and have fun with it. lol.

Anyway, this is just a silly religion I made because I was being silly. I don't believe any of it, of course. And neither should anyone else.


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30 Jun 2025, 10:13 pm

One where fornication is encouraged, not condemned.


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01 Jul 2025, 5:59 am

Building a social media following can work wonders for starting a religion and the thing is it does not require the best social skills like building a cult in the real world normally would.



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02 Jul 2025, 5:59 am

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Building a social media following can work wonders for starting a religion and the thing is it does not require the best social skills like building a cult in the real world normally would.


Perhaps our ASD perspectives and proposed religions here, can help fill the "god-shaped-hole" (cfr. Mr. Pascal Blaise)
:) ;) :)
-> please take this as it was intended: humorously :)



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02 Jul 2025, 7:39 pm

I'm not sure I'm qualified to create a religion but one of my favourite artificial religions is Bokononism from Cat's Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut.

The religion starts by saying it's entirely false. In their creole, "Foma" is a term meaning comforting lies. The Book of Bokonon opens with " Don't be a fool! Close this book at once! It is nothing but foma!"

Adherents are fully aware that the religion is a fabrication.

The island's governer banned the religion in order to make it more popular. The population had no interest in following state institution but found anything rebelious to be more enticing.

Unbeknownst to them, the Bokonon himself was working with the governer to create the religion. And then the world ended.


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02 Jul 2025, 9:38 pm

Does our religion have a name yet?

I propose the following name: "The Church of Salesmanship of Vaguely-Pleasing Idealism"


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02 Jul 2025, 11:20 pm

I have been actually working on starting a religion or a version of a religion since 2014....I am working to start my own sect or division of the church of Christ. I have even looked into incorporating as a church. It may become its own denomination at some point.



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02 Jul 2025, 11:50 pm

kadanuumuu wrote:

Religion to me and feel free to counter my statement, is or has become again "god of the gaps"-religion. We have gone through an age where full scientific, physical explanation seemed within reach and as such religion was pushed into it 'moral referee'-costume. Now in 2025 there has not been explosive progress felt by the average man and the need for our old trope is again gaining popularity... unfortunately :)
->Just my opinion.

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You spoke of a "God of Gaps". I too am not a fan of such a God, or any deity for that matter.

Throughout most of human history, humans have been hunter-gatherers with shamans. They had widely-varying Shamanistic, "animistic" religions. Insofar as they actually lived in harmony with nature, and their territory, being relatively harmless, and not being at the top of the food chain quite yet, I say they by and large had a spirituality which I don't have qualms with. They believed in unseen local dieties - which the Shamans/Shamanesses sometimes had the talents to see. Sometimes that was just tripping on mushrooms, but I say there are occasionally legit psychics, and there are legit unseen beings. They are a thing. It can be difficult to separate out the legit psychics from the charlatans.

So I don't go so far as to refute all religion, and all spirituality. Insofar as practitioners in the so-called "Wisdom" traditions could authentically attain to what Buddhism calls Samadhi, or the Jhanas, that's highly praiseworthy. Samadhi and Jhanas are also a "thing", a super-human attainment. The world would be impoverished if it didn't have it any longer. I'm convinced many Hindu gurus could do it too. Also the Classic Taoist sages.

So I think any religion worth its salt still needs to have these things at least: meditation, and attaining super-human states like the Brahmaviharas, Jhanas, and Samadhi (plus all the factors leading up to, and supporting these things). IMHO, these things are the "first principles" which should be "worked backwards from", as it were. No "God of Gaps" is required, however I feel it's an impoverished view to categorically conclude that there are no unseen beings or deities whatsoever.


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