Was Mary, the Mother of Jesus, Indeed a Virgin?

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23 Oct 2007, 6:39 pm

She probably liked it up her, the dirty little goer.

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23 Oct 2007, 7:18 pm

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[ I find it hard to understand why anyone would believe in the story of the Holy Virgin. getting pregnant without any form of sexual contacts is just impossible. Believing it is possible is the same like believing the easter bunny will bring you a present for real. I prefer to believe only what is proven, and no way a pregnency-without-conceiving can ever be proven.

????

I thought Virgin Births where quite a plasible and even common thing thesedays in the age of artificial insemination?, especailly amongst the Lesbian population. even cattle have virgin births these days.

If God can create the universe, make Adam out of the dust, I hardly think bringing a human egg to life such a profound miracle that any body who belives it is as niave as Easter Bunny belivers, (the Easter Bunny comes from the sex and ferility godess Astarte by the way, thats where the name Easter comes from, along with its symobolism of fertility like eggs and bunnies).

If you want to make people who belive in God look rediculous, why not pick on a big miracle like spinning all the planets around the sun, not something that the guy down the road can do with a turkey baster!

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23 Oct 2007, 7:20 pm

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Jesus existed: proven fact. Even I as an atheist recognise that.

What is your proof then?

That sort of question is similar to 'Did Robin Hood exist ?'. Yes there are many people that fit the description partially but their is currently no way of proving who he was, when he existed and that he actually existed at all. It is a completely open case.

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23 Oct 2007, 8:07 pm

Besides the eyewitness accounts (i.e. the bible), and the lack of any other means of explaining the sudden explosive appearance of the new Christian sect, there are numerous extrabiblical accounts of Jesus having existed, outlining the basic elements of the gospel story: that he was a teacher of some renown, was said to have done miraculous things, and that he was crucified by Pontius Pilate. Most of these extrabiblical accounts are from Roman historians, who would be hardly sympathetic to the Christian position. The Jewish Talmud even makes references to him (though again, hardly sympathetically - but why make reference to him at all, if he didn't even exist?).

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23 Oct 2007, 8:50 pm

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The point of Mary's being said to be a virgin is to illustrate that she did absolutely nothing that would have resulted in a man's semen being inside of her. So no man ejacaulated a wooden spoon that she just picked up and stuck up herself, she had no genital-genital contact, no doc impregnated her artificially etc. She was purpotedly as "pure" as most two year olds are.

If you want to pick on people for holding a different view the least you could do is get your facts straight about what you are picking on them for first.

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23 Oct 2007, 8:50 pm

Nambo wrote:

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I am well aware of artificial insemination and such, but I don't think these things existed in that era so maybe we should look for a different cause of pregnancy :wink:

And I don't think I said that believers are ridiculous. I never said that. The spinning of planets around the sun however has been scientifically explained, but I don't want to stop anyone from believing his own thoughts and mindset.

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25 Oct 2007, 6:50 am

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that's a diff mary.... mary magdalen (sp, i know).... the woman they stoned in the streets for BEING a whore and jesus came to her defense

Actually, in the Bible there is no mention of Mary Magdalene being a prostitute, there is only a mention of her being "possesed by demons", but the relation to prostitution was an interpretation and assumption relating her to the woman who was about to get stoned, which it doesn't explicitly say it is her.

It used to be believed that people with grand mal epilepsy were possessed by demons so perhaps that is what Mary Magdalene had. I don't believe brain wiring and chemistry was particularly well known in those days.

There is a theory that the "angel" who appeared to young Mary was actually one of the temple staff in a white robe. Seems possible but since we weren't around back then, we'll never really know for sure.

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25 Oct 2007, 1:07 pm

crackedpleasures wrote:

Jesus existed: proven fact. Even I as an atheist recognise that.

What of course is not proven (and that is the whole point about believers or atheism) is that he was a son of god.

Personally I think he must have been a charismatic leader. And in a time when thunder, lightning, rain etc were not scientifically explained... well, people probably liked to believe that their leader was a sort of godly creature.

I believe Jesus existed but I don't believe there is a god and that he was a son of god. I also don't believe in coming back from the dead after being crucified. I believe Jesus was some sort of commune leader who was seen as a god by his scientifically ignorant followers.

1. Plenty of atheists believe Jesus never existed.

2. It is proven that he wasn't the son of God.

3. The small number of followers shows he was a sucky leader.

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26 Oct 2007, 12:01 am

crackedpleasures wrote:

Jesus existed: proven fact.

sources?

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29 Oct 2007, 10:10 pm

This may just be one of those random little "facts" that's just a total load of BS, but... I once heard that "virgin" means "unwed mother" in ancient hebrew. Could be total BS, like I said. But I do recall hearing that somewhere. Probably just repeating someone else's lack of research though

Would be really ironically hillarious though if it were true.

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29 Oct 2007, 11:29 pm

Xandalis wrote:

Would be really ironically hillarious though if it were true.

the only thing i've heard like that was that virgin was also just used to mean young. not necessarily one that hasn't had sex.

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29 Oct 2007, 11:47 pm

Sand wrote:

There has been a recent scientific report of a virgin shark giving birth. So maybe God's sexual preferences have changed.

could you post or PM me a link or somethin for that?

i like sharks!

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29 Oct 2007, 11:52 pm

JonnyBGoode wrote:

You're right Jesus probably existed.... that's about all than can be said with any degree of certianty.

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29 Oct 2007, 11:56 pm

skafather84 wrote:

Xandalis wrote:

Would be really ironically hillarious though if it were true.

the only thing i've heard like that was that virgin was also just used to mean young. not necessarily one that hasn't had sex.

The old testament oftem makes refrences to the mark of virginity (hymen) so the refrence likely means a woman that hadn't had sex yet. Of course the lack of a hymen doesn't mean anything though.

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29 Oct 2007, 11:58 pm

jfrmeister wrote:

JonnyBGoode wrote:

You're right Jesus probably existed.... that's about all than can be said with any degree of certianty.

i'd go farther to say that "a jesus" existed. i mean the books of the new testament themselves are at best created 90AD so it's not first hand accounts (not to mention they were written by multiple scholars at the time...not one person). so really....it could all be a collective of tall tales about some guy named jesus and it may not necessarily be one guy (there were other "christs" at the time so it's likely that some of the other stories were worked in).

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30 Oct 2007, 7:31 am

didnt jesus have a big blue ox?

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