(Mormon) Christian Beck: Jesus was a conqueror

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QttAXEGz3g[/youtube]

Complete context available at a Fox News video:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4281358/beck ... l-justice/

Watching the entire video, there's even more hilariousness.

1) He talks about not being born guilty, yet isn't that the whole foundation behind original sin?

2) He speaks about "social justice" being absent from the Bible in spite of the fact that the Book of Mormon isn't it the Bible either (his "let me get some mainliners who agree with me" shield is pretty weak, especially considering that the Southern Baptist Convetion isn't mainline).

3) On a larger note, lecturing about "traditional Christianity" is also pretty funny considering that Mormonism is a rather novel memetic mutation when it comes to the overall history of Christianity (the way he brushes away this doctrinal problem on the basis of "I need Jesus's salvation" is pretty weak).

4) Going on to Beck's professorial lackey, Associate Professor Anthony Bradley, what ahistorical irony to claim that getting Christianity involved in politics is somehow contrary to the tradition. Christianity wouldn't rule the world today were it not for some very POLITICAL actions by various Roman figures.

5) And, also Anthony Bradley, thank you for showing what a decadent opiate Christianity is by rendering people oblivious to external hardships, looking instead to some internal "spiritual perfection" to make them passive victims. "Blessed are the meek" has always been the doctrine of keeping the meek, ... well, meek! Also pretty funny as this dogma keeps the meek victims, which is sort of contrary to the conqueror ethos Beck tries to instill around Jesus Christ.

6) Beck's distain over liberation theology's divsion of the world into victim and oppressor is also fairly ironic given that Beck and fellow rabid rightists like to draw their own "us versus them" lines in the world.

You know, even though the first minute or so of insane babble annoys the hell out of me, after a while it becomes comic relief.

PS: Beck, if you want to demonize polemical Black liberation theologians, it'd help if you weren't as crazy or crazier then they are.

Sarcasm: Aren't you a shining example of tolerance.




Btw, I'm not referring to Beck.

Last edited by Inuyasha on 16 Nov 2010, 10:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.

hmmm he has creepy eyes.

Master_Pedant is deliberately taking what Beck said out of context to try to paint him as an antisemite.

Looks to me that Beck isn't paranoid.

What is "intolerant" about noting the indisputable fact that Mormonism is a rather modern Christian sect and isn't really "traditional Christianity" (which, itself, is divided into numerous factions).

Hell, I give Beck more credit than some evangelical Christians do by admitting that Mormonism is a (novel) religion that's still within the Christian family of religious denominations.

You do know that I gave the link to the whole quotation right underneath that lovely snippet, right? What's out of context? Beck said that if Jesus wanted revenge, he'd "kill the Jews who killed him", but since he's SO above being a victim and ain't like the black liberation theologians, he doesn' exact his "revenge on the Jews who killed him"! ! That's pretty much what he said and it's not out of context at all.

I find it pretty funny that Inuyasha is criticizing me for taking the clip out of context, as I wasted a good 18 minutes of my life watching the whole clip to ensure that the chalkboard conspiracist hadn't been taken out of context.

Okay let me break this down for you. The idea is that someone hurts you do you then harbor a grudge and seek revenge. Whether or not the Jews are responsible is immaterial. The point is Jesus forgave the people that killed him when he rose from the dead. Whereas the people with black liberation theology are out for retribution and revenge.

Seriously, did something happen to you for you to have so much hate towards conservatives and religious people?

The point still is that Beck's fowarding the point of "THE JEWS" being Christ killers, even if he's denying the rationale for using that as revenge. And that, in it's own right, is funny. The whole piece is more hilarious given how a follower of a novel branch of Christianity tries to speak authortatively for "Traditional Christianity".



Given your incredible low standards for what constitutes "hate" against poor old Christian Nationalists and ultraconservatives (i.e. telling them to take off a button at work), I'd probably consider avoiding this matter altogether. But, the truth is, I cannot help but say that the fact my childhood was spent in a working poor single-parent household pay have contributed to my distaste for the smug, post-hoc rationalizing Social Darwinism of economic conservatism (otherwise known as "the status quo is meritocratic despite all the built in advantages we legislate).

And with Christians, it's generally the oversensitivity to issues of "faith" (while ignoring the feelings of people who distest it), the contempt for knowledge and critical thought (that comes along with faith), and the general attitude of moral superiority they have to the unbelievers damned to hell in their religious ideology.

Last edited by Master_Pedant on 16 Nov 2010, 10:59 pm, edited 1 time in total.

They let people wear muslim symbols, gay pride buttons, etc. So why did they target someone wearing a Christian button.

You keep taking people out of context to smear them though you have a bright future with the DNC.

Actually, that's kind of hilarious.

First, money is a huge issue. The Bible is very much interested in social justice.

Second, "conquerors" is kind of a silly claim for Jesus. Yes, he conquered death, but he was still executed a criminal's death, and no window dressing on that can say that this is the "life of champions". The hilarity is that basically Beck probably wants to create a theology that is the opposite of the Bible, and so instead of hanging out with prostitutes and tax collectors, Jesus will hang out with entrepreneurs and stock-brokers.

Third, I can see it both way on "traditionally involved in politics", as it goes around what "tradition" means. Most of history has Christian groups playing major political roles. Heck, the Catholic church used to be supreme among political groups.

I am not bothering listening to the entire thing. I'd bet Beck is full of crap.

His eyes still creep me out regardless.

Because those were other stores (at least from what the links displayed) and I'm not sure they were even getting staffers to wear buttons at the till (though they may have). Either way, they had a policy against religious symbols, and that was a religious symbol.



Thanks for suggesting that I join the DLC, corporate, Republican-lite, ideologically schizophrenic Democratic establishment, but I'd rather stay in a politically sane country with real leftwing parties.

Leftist attacks on Beck's Mormonism are probably the most pathetic of all the attacks. It just reeks of desperation in the same vein as Jack Conway's Aqua Buddha.

How is pointing out that Mormonism isn't exactly "traditonal" Christianity an attack? Unless stating facts is now an attack, in which case reality is a leftist attack-dog.

Glenn Beck feels perfectly free to attack the President's modernist-mainline Protestant faith as a "perversion" or contrary to "traditional" Christianity, surely Beck must have noticed that Mormonism isn't exactly a "traditional" Christianity itself?

Because what they're trying to say is "don't listen to this guy, he isn't a real Christian"

Are you referring to Master_Pedant's point 3? I don't see the problem with it. M_P just said he thought it funny.