Blanket Sharia rule in parts of England?

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... h-law.html

Yes, I know it's the Daily Mail. Anyway.

Separatists exist in every jurisdiction.

Consider the Irish, the Manx, the Scots, the Welsh and the Cornish--each has national aspirations, and each has had diminishing success in the manifestation of those aspirations.

Now some might argue that these communities are the aboriginal populations of their respective homelands, unlike the settlers who reside in the (ahem) "Emirate of Tower Hamlets", but since when have settler populations been deprived of the opportunity to establish national governments? The United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa are all examples of regimes established to displace pre-existing communities and governance. And let us not forget that the Angles and the Saxons were settler populations in Britain.

Like most separatist movements, however, it is doomed to failure, so let's just leave this in the rubbish bin (well, The Daily Mail) where it belongs.

And i wouldnt be surprised at all if the British bent over backwards for their every demand..since they refuse to deal with the Muslim problem in their country..and it is a PROBLEM.

hatefull much?

Only to those who openly espouse their desire to kill me, my family, etc while reaping the benefits of western countries.

Well now, I do personally agree that the number of Muslims in this country is a problem. And in other countries in Europe. The reason I feel this is a difficulty is that the birth rate of Muslims is very high, their integration into British society is poor, and Islam is not just a religion, but more a political ideology.


That research was done in 2009. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 621482.ece


Even politicians are beginning to acknowledge that multiculturalism is not working.

The prediction is that by 2050, 30-50% of Europeans will be Muslim.

This is obviously going to have potential problems. Even for someone who is generally a live and let live sort of person, I have no desire to be a minority in my country, under the legal and political system of a different people.

christianity has heavily influenced our society as well, that might cause some of the problems with a muslim population.

also i think it's worth mentioning that (at least in denmark) the crime rates, income levels and social issues of danish people in similar social context is only marginally different. yet we still have people spouting that multiculturism doesnt work by definition.

maybe the reason it isnt working isnt only because of "them" but maybe it is also because "we" will not allow it to work, a self fullfilling "prophecy" of sorts.

a recent study in denmark showed that muslim students in gymnasium actually have a higher average suplemental income to the educationonal support payments we all receive, the crime rates for serious crime (violent crime, theft,) were lower.

think of muslim people that have lived in the uk since they have been born, how different are most of them really?
over here by the third generation most muslim people live excactly like danish people, there might be some cosmetic differences.

now all of this might not be the same in the UK, but to say that multiculturalism is proven not to work is BS, (hint how did the us came to where they are today)

you say you have no desire to be a minority, well doesnt that speak more of how you treat immigrants and how you think they should be treated, especially since only a fraction will be first generation, with the rest assimilated to some extent or the other, wouldnt it be better to encourage a public education and thinking that would allow for a more seamless integration and through that remove the power from the "fundementalist" thinkers , they would no longer have the automatic support of every countrymen that way.

No, it shouldn't. And it won't be allowed to happen, for a start because a lot of Muslims themselves probably don't really want this.

Integration is the way forward.

If that isn't on offer, then people will vote for Wilders types in huge numbers as is the case in the Netherlands.

Well, I don't really have an issue with being a minority with other religious groups. I've had experience of being a minority already, having lived in areas where I was one. For example at my primary school in innner city Manchester I was the only white girl in my year, with only 3 white boys, in a class of 30. My issue is not with being a minority as such, but with being a minority in a Muslim majority country. I don't wish to be subject to shariah.

You italicise the you, suggesting that I have treated immigrants badly. My own treatment of immigrants I think has been quite good. I would imagine so anyway, as my friends (limited as they have been) have included a Chilean, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Gujurati, Punjabi, Ugandan, 3 Keralans, Hong Kong Chinese, Polish, Trinidadian, Jamaican and so on. I would say that the majority of my friends in my life have been from immigrant communities, primarily because that is where I have mostly lived.

I don't object to immigration. I object to mass immigration of people from countries which possess a political ideology that is in direct opposition to Feminism, equality for LGBTQ people, and democracy in general, and who have a far higher birth rate than other ethnic groups in that country, and from whom we frequently see statements of desire to change the political and social structure of this country to an Islamic one.

Anyway, we are unlikely to change each other's viewpoints on this. This is ok.

Any attempt to set up independent Islamic "republics" in Britain will be met with force and if necessary, deadly force.

ruveyn

I really doubt the British government will allow a space where "British law does not apply". They may not realize it but they are trying to secede and that won't be allowed.

it was a too quick a judgement and for that i am sorry,

you say mass immigration but didnt your own source indicate that most of the rise comes from "internalized" muslims?
should they even be counted?

Indeed. Most Muslims really don't want to give the likes of the EDL types an excuse. The EDL are peaceful demonstrators at the moment, and most of the people arrested at these demos are the 'anti-fascist' fascist UAF. But if there are serious attempts to set up Islamist enclaves in Britain, expect that to change with brutal swiftness. Also expect the anti-Islam vote to go through the roof - there isn't a Kjærsgaard, a Wilders or a Soini in Britain.

Integration just prolongs matters. What you need is assimilation. They could still be Muslim but they need to behave in a manner acceptable to western society the same way our societies allow Catholics and they interact seamlessly here but we ban the inquisition. There's no point in them leaving one s**thole country to go make a new s**thole out of somewhere else.

i agree but the method for doing that is not instilling a sense of fear and hate in the population, of course deduicated enclaves shouldnt be tolerated if they want to supercede the native government but if they simply want to live within a comunity of felow countrymen i cant see anything wrong with that.

well I would hope you don't think all muslims are out to kill you, your family ect. while reaping anything.