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26 Nov 2012, 7:54 pm

Eye opening documentary i found on youtube

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvcH8x1H_Ig[/youtube]



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26 Nov 2012, 8:18 pm

*Another* thread by thomas81 on this subject?

Oh, and it is a 6 year old film.



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27 Nov 2012, 7:11 pm

GGPViper wrote:
*Another* thread by thomas81 on this subject?

Oh, and it is a 6 year old film.


still relevant as it was 6 years ago.

Did you bother to watch it before clicking the submit button? I bet you didn't.



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29 Nov 2012, 1:47 pm

thomas81 wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
*Another* thread by thomas81 on this subject?

Oh, and it is a 6 year old film.


still relevant as it was 6 years ago.

Did you bother to watch it before clicking the submit button? I bet you didn't.


When someone with a reputation for being a notorious one-sided cherry picker posts a 1 hour and 28 minute dated youtube clip on WP, why should I waste time evaluating its content?

If you want that kind of attention to the content in your posts, then you should probably pay more attention to the quality of the content in your posts.



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29 Nov 2012, 5:43 pm

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29 Nov 2012, 5:45 pm

GGPViper wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
*Another* thread by thomas81 on this subject?

Oh, and it is a 6 year old film.


still relevant as it was 6 years ago.

Did you bother to watch it before clicking the submit button? I bet you didn't.


When someone with a reputation for being a notorious one-sided cherry picker posts a 1 hour and 28 minute dated youtube clip on WP, why should I waste time evaluating its content?

If you want that kind of attention to the content in your posts, then you should probably pay more attention to the quality of the content in your posts.


you spent the time to respond to this thread didn't you. First and foremost, I posted the video because i felt the video had face value merit. The age of it was irrelevant to its viewability or educational value.

This is why i dislike your debating style so much, your tendency to dress opinion as fact.

If you don't like the content of my posts then prepare to respond with argumental ettiquette or chime out. You've made your position on the Israel-Gaza conflict abundantly clear already.

Beyond this point you're offering nothing but ad hominem.



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29 Nov 2012, 5:50 pm

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You overlook that Israel does not react that way every single time a rocket is fired at them. Unless the religion of peace is launching massive volleys, like they were doing recently, Israel tends to put up with it a little before taking action...far more so than the US if rockets got fired into our borders.


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29 Nov 2012, 5:53 pm

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You overlook that Israel does not react that way every single time a rocket is fired at them. Unless the religion of peace is launching massive volleys, like they were doing recently, Israel tends to put up with it a little before taking action...far more so than the US if rockets got fired into our borders.


Um... i think you are misunderstanding the message of the picture.

Its comparing the effects of attack methods, it isnt necessarilly implying that Israel responds that way to every palestinian rocket.

Thats why the positions of the analogous figures are in sync.



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29 Nov 2012, 6:00 pm

^^^ If they fired rockets in the US borders there probably wouldnt be any Palistine left but a memory.


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29 Nov 2012, 6:03 pm

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^^^ If they fired rockets in the US borders there probably wouldnt be any Palistine left but a memory.

Thats a given, the USA is an aggressive bully state at the best of times.

Whats your point?



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29 Nov 2012, 6:21 pm

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^^^ If they fired rockets in the US borders there probably wouldnt be any Palistine left but a memory.

Thats a given, the USA is an aggressive bully state at the best of times.

Whats your point?
They should realize they are wasting lives against nations much more powerful than they are.Not wise to throw rocks at people with guns [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-Mh4cuLQ8w[/youtube] they are not going to listen though and continue to blow them selves up like lemmings. Its a real mess over there and it has been for a long long time I dont know why they cant simply share the land my only guess is because of thousands of years of religious beliefs past wars and sacred ground etc. The USA is Israels ally and being such the USA does favors for its allies which is why the US are involved even when they shouldn't be involved hence why its easy to demonize the US however on another thread i mentioned if the US were to collapse 90% of the responses say it would be bad. It seems to me you actually enjoy groups like Hamas Al Queda the Taliban etc pethaps even praise the death of democracy and freedom and the imposing future collapse of the United States as well as the rest of the West.


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29 Nov 2012, 6:30 pm

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They should realize they are wasting lives against nations much more powerful than they are. Not wise to throw rocks at people with guns

This is oversimplifying the matter. you're forgetting these people are pissed off. Its a human response to physically lash out, as fruitless and as counterproductive as it may seem to observers.
Some of these people may have had their homes demolished, and/or even had relatives killed.

Were I in their shoes, I would probably want to throw the first objects that came to hand. You don't understand the thought processes until you've walked in their shoes.


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. The USA is Israels ally and being such the USA does favors for its allies which is why the US are involved even when they shouldn't be involved hence why its easy to demonize the US however on another thread i mentioned if the US were to collapse 90% of the responses say it would be bad. It seems to me you actually enjoy groups like Hamas Al Queda the Taliban etc pethaps even praise the death of democracy and freedom and the imposing future collapse of the United States as well as the rest of the West.


You say that on the false assumption that the USA and its allies hold some sort of monopoly on democracy and freedom. They don't. What they mean by it represents economic co-ercion, social exclusion, unemployment, alienation and wage enslavement for the majority.

There are different levels and different forms of democracy and freedom. I do not believe the sort sold by the United States and its allies represents democracy and freedom in the true sense. Which is why I will continue to advocate and argue in favour of what I deem to be the real sort.

I argue in favour of the Palestinians because i feel their plight represents the front line against America's drive to implement its one world order.



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29 Nov 2012, 6:38 pm

...another thing, its a little rich also of israel to criticise gaza bound ships as a danger to israeli citizens.

I discovered recently that Israel were involved by proxy in the deaths of Irish nationalists living in the Northern 6 counties. Israel captured weapons from the PLO and sent them to pro Unionist fascists in Apartheid South Africa.

Thats how Ulster Loyalists ended up with AK47s in their arsenal.

It also explains why Israeli flags can often be seen in their various commemorative events.



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29 Nov 2012, 6:41 pm

thomas81 wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
They should realize they are wasting lives against nations much more powerful than they are. Not wise to throw rocks at people with guns

This is oversimplifying the matter. you're forgetting these people are pissed off. Its a human response to physically lash out, as fruitless and as counterproductive as it may seem to observers.
Some of these people may have had their homes demolished, and/or even had relatives killed.

Were I in their shoes, I would probably want to throw the first objects that came to hand. You don't understand the thought processes until you've walked in their shoes.


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. The USA is Israels ally and being such the USA does favors for its allies which is why the US are involved even when they shouldn't be involved hence why its easy to demonize the US however on another thread i mentioned if the US were to collapse 90% of the responses say it would be bad. It seems to me you actually enjoy groups like Hamas Al Queda the Taliban etc pethaps even praise the death of democracy and freedom and the imposing future collapse of the United States as well as the rest of the West.


You say that on the false assumption that the USA and its allies hold some sort of monopoly on democracy and freedom. They don't. What they mean by it represents economic co-ercion, social exclusion, unemployment, alienation and wage enslavement for the majority.

There are different levels and different forms of democracy and freedom. I do not believe the sort sold by the United States and its allies represents democracy and freedom in the true sense. Which is why I will continue to advocate and argue in favour of what I deem to be the real sort.

I argue in favour of the Palestinians because i feel their plight represents the front line against America's drive to implement its one world order.
First off the USA isnt after a 1 world order if they were they would just continue to annext every country they beat in war. Another thing is If was angry I wouldnt throw rocks I would retreat and come up with a back up plan to retaliate via bullets not rocks. Bullets beat rock 98% of the time. If I were in their shoes I would plan a much better thawed out plan to retaliate and overthrow the government and set the capital in flames but that would require a lot of manpower with guns.


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29 Nov 2012, 6:43 pm

Firstly, I believe NATO is certainly enforcing a one world order or some project along those lines, the last few years it seems to have been engaged in a whistle stop tour of the region to remove leaders it doesnt like.

Secondly, Well, maybe most Palestinians arent autistic and dont possess your unwavering powers of rational logic.

We'll never know.



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29 Nov 2012, 6:52 pm

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Firstly, I believe NATO is certainly enforcing a one world order or some project along those lines, the last few years it seems to have been engaged in a whistle stop tour of the region to remove leaders it doesnt like.

Secondly, Well, maybe most Palestinians arent autistic and dont possess your unwavering powers of rational logic.

We'll never know.
Yep well never know its just that in order to stand a chance against an empire one must have his/her own empire the only empire with such capabilities would be China however China is interested more in making money off the US also has its own internal problems to deal with and China also works with Israel at times as well as other middle eastern countries and is rather neutral that is why their empire has lasted over 7000 years and has yet to collapse.


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