Pat Condell: "Ha Ha Islamophobia"
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AFAIK, he gets a lot of threats of violence, murder and general harm from the Peacers. But. Also a lot of positive support (if not always constant agreement, which is fair enough) from some Muslims, particularly the genuinely liberal and tolerant kind who try to warn Westerners and governments about the Islamists.
My first objection to this screed is that it uncritically equates Islam and Islamists.
There is no one, singular, monolithic set of "Islamic values." Yet this self-appointed opinion maker seeks to persuade us that this is so, and they are, "aggressively non-negotiable." What utter mendacity.
There are muslims with hateful beliefs, just as there are Christians with hateful beliefs. But I do not not ascribe one hateful Christian's beliefs to all Christians. There are muslims who have perpetrated crimes of great violence. But, so too, there are Christians who have done the same--with comparable motivation, too. But we do not condemn all christians with the sins of Anders Breivik, yet here we are content to do that to all Muslims.
Now, if this were an essay focussed on the thesis that Muslims in the West have a vastly better lot than their partisans would have us believe, then I would go a long way down that road.
But what this piece of garbage seeks to do is not to tell us that Muslims have a full package of civil and political rights in the rest, but rather to tell people who don't like Muslims that they are justified in not liking Muslims.
This is, in a word, hatemongering.
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I must admit, I am starting to get uncomfortable with Condell's rhetoric. I have even messaged him on this topic. I agree with him that there probably is no moderate Islam - that it was specifically set p.to br warmongering - but there are many moderaye aMuslims. That is where he falls down.
Scran is coming.
There is no one, singular, monolithic set of "Islamic values." Yet this self-appointed opinion maker seeks to persuade us that this is so, and they are, "aggressively non-negotiable." What utter mendacity.
Actually, you are misrepresenting Islam much more than Pat Condell is. The description that Pat provides is the standard view in Sunni Islam (encompassing somewhere between 75 and 90 percent of the world's Muslims), which is corroborated by Islamic scripture, official government declarations and opinion polls.
I elaborated on this in my September 25 post in this thread.
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4932129.html
In other words, the "piece of garbage" actually knows what he is talking about.
visagrunt wrote:
I think it's safe to say that the Muslims have us hateful Christians beat in the area of hate and violence.
I'm talking about in recent decades.
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depends, in western relations of the middle east, perhaps.
but have you seen some of the christian "armies" you find in africa and what they do to children?
not that it in any way is a contest but the common factor here is sheer ignorance and intolerance, combine those with any authorative culture, be it christianity or islam and you have the perfect ideological storm.
so far i havent had any issues with the immigrants in denmark, i know quite a few and they are all as good and bad as your average dane.
there are of course outliers in both groups, still doesnt justify prejudice(the definition of which is quite interestingin relation to this debate).
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Yeah.
Yes, I keep forgetting that it's impossible for people of color to be racist against whites.
What was I thinking?
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Yeah.
LOL
Wiki before you post.
I really don't care for Condell, his misguided politics or his theology. In any case, thats why i used the caveat 'probably'.
Even if he is a non believer, you can bet your bottom dollar he would be in the leading wave of the little england mob who trip over themselves to cry 'foul' whenever the 'PC' mob try to take away his nativity scene or right to use the term 'Christmas' instead of 'winterval'.
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Yes, I keep forgetting that it's impossible for people of color to be racist against whites.
What was I thinking?
Um no the video is entitled Islamophobia but despite that Condell still manages to turn that into yet another asinine ten a penny diatribe on why he personally hates islam.
My point is, given his socio ethnic status even if he had managed to stay on topic he is hardly in a qualified position to debunk every legitimate instance of islamophobia.
A little thing called 'economies of power'. White, rich secular and christian men still call the shots. Condell is kidding himself by saying otherwise.
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Yeah.
LOL
Wiki before you post.
I really don't care for Condell, his misguided politics or his theology. In any case, thats why i used the caveat 'probably'.
Even if he is a non believer, you can bet your bottom dollar he would be in the leading wave of the little england mob who trip over themselves to cry 'foul' whenever the 'PC' mob try to take away his nativity scene or right to use the term 'Christmas' instead of 'winterval'.
Since when did objecting to PC make you a bad atheist?
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LOL
Wiki before you post.
I really don't care for Condell, his misguided politics or his theology. In any case, thats why i used the caveat 'probably'.
Even if he is a non believer, you can bet your bottom dollar he would be in the leading wave of the little england mob who trip over themselves to cry 'foul' whenever the 'PC' mob try to take away his nativity scene or right to use the term 'Christmas' instead of 'winterval'.
Um, since when did objecting to PC make you a bad atheist?
Since when did being an atheist exclude someone from being a reactionary tosser?
I dont know if you even understand your own argument at this point.