do we REALLY think Syria will use Chemical weapons

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06 Dec 2012, 2:25 pm

Or does the white house play up the threat to the media so Obama can come out and look like a tough guy with his "drawing a line in the sand" business?

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06 Dec 2012, 2:53 pm

The Syrian government is desperate, so I wouldn't *completely* rule it out.

On the other hand, if they actually *use* Sarin against their own population (really nasty s**t, not as mean as V-series, but nasty nonetheless), then I cannot envision a lot of realistic scenarios where the government isn't swiftly annihilated by some sort of international intervention.

In other words, it would be pure madness to launch a chemical weapons attack against one's own population. *No one* in the Middle East have ever done that!

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06 Dec 2012, 3:17 pm

where have we heard this before?

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06 Dec 2012, 5:35 pm

No they shall not, if only because it makes no military sense.

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06 Dec 2012, 6:00 pm

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Do we REALLY think Syria will use Chemical weapons, Or does the white house play up the threat to the media so Obama can come out and look like a tough guy with his "drawing a line in the sand" business?

What makes you think they haven't already?

Have you ever been downwind of one of their villages?

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06 Dec 2012, 6:03 pm

GGPViper wrote:

The Syrian government is desperate, so I wouldn't *completely* rule it out.

On the other hand, if they actually *use* Sarin against their own population (really nasty sh**, not as mean as V-series, but nasty nonetheless), then I cannot envision a lot of realistic scenarios where the government isn't swiftly annihilated by some sort of international intervention.

In other words, it would be pure madness to launch a chemical weapons attack against one's own population. *No one* in the Middle East have ever done that!

V-series

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06 Dec 2012, 6:09 pm

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V-series

Nazi-Germany's attempt at ICBM, Inter-Continental Ballistics Missile.

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06 Dec 2012, 6:40 pm

Bashir Assad's daddy Haffaz killed 15,000 Syrians with chemical weapons. Like father, like son. Do not be the least bit surprised by what the Beast Bashir does.

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06 Dec 2012, 6:40 pm

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No they shall not, if only because it makes no military sense.

I agree with this, with a hedge bet on "maybe they are that stupid/crazy."

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06 Dec 2012, 7:04 pm

NAKnight wrote:

slave wrote:

V-series

Nazi-Germany's attempt at ICBM, Inter-Continental Ballistics Missile.

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No - VX is a nerve gas but it is part of the "V series" of nerve gasses - X being only one member of the series.

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06 Dec 2012, 7:06 pm

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Or does the white house play up the threat to the media so Obama can come out and look like a tough guy with his "drawing a line in the sand" business?

Why? Its not like Obama needs to be re-elected. In any case, so far the threat of chemical weapons isn't being offered up as justification for something pre-emptive. So far it seems only that we might act if it could be verified that chemical weapons are used at some point in the future.

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06 Dec 2012, 7:06 pm

ScrewyWabbit wrote:

NAKnight wrote:

slave wrote:

V-series

Nazi-Gitmo Nation Deutschland's attempt at ICBM, Inter-Continental Ballistics Missile.

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No - VX is a nerve gas but it is part of the "V series" of nerve gasses - X being only one member of the series.

Then I was wrong. Learned something new today.
Thank you for the correction.

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06 Dec 2012, 7:13 pm

I guess the flip side is:

Do you think that Assad would just give up if he decided he cannot win militarily by conventional means?

Also remember that he's not likely to just one day wipe out a 10K people with gas in some city.
More likely he would start out with a few small operations against almost purely military targets (possibly using artillery) to test international reaction.

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06 Dec 2012, 7:58 pm

NAKnight wrote:

slave wrote:

V-series

Nazi-Germany's attempt at ICBM, Inter-Continental Ballistics Missile.

Best Regards,

Jake

Ahh...ancient technology.

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06 Dec 2012, 8:20 pm

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No they shall not, if only because it makes no military sense.

I agree with this, with a hedge bet on "maybe they are that stupid/crazy."

You use it against massed forces on a battlefield and when you can be certain the winds are favourable and that your troops have means of protection. Otherwise, you're killing your own supporters as well as opponents.

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06 Dec 2012, 8:23 pm

xenon13 wrote:

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No they shall not, if only because it makes no military sense.

I agree with this, with a hedge bet on "maybe they are that stupid/crazy."

Or at long range when civilian casualties are a non-issue.

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