Who actually thinks a US gun ban would work?

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Do you think a US gun ban would work?
Yes 9%  9%  [ 5 ]
No 56%  56%  [ 31 ]
Somewhat 16%  16%  [ 9 ]
Unsure 7%  7%  [ 4 ]
I hate guns and have an unreasonable aversion to them! 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
I love guns and have an unreasonable attachment to them! 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
(Those last two were tongue in cheek) 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
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22 Dec 2012, 4:21 pm

I understand that without any guns at all, anywhere on the planet, nobody would get shot. I agree that it would be much nicer if they had never been invented. Because there are no time machines to go back and stop the invention of guns, we are stuck with them.

My question is this. Does anybody actually believe that banning guns would stop gun violence and crime? There are already laws against shooting people and armed robbery. If someone is willing to disregard those laws do you think that something like a piddly little law against owning a gun would stop them?

For those who truly believe it would work, how do you suggest enforcing it or enacting it? What about people who have guns and don't get caught? What about those with hidden guns? Not everyone who commits a gun crime gets caught. In fact, I'd say that at least half don't.


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22 Dec 2012, 4:31 pm

Banning guns doesn't accomplish anything useful, just like banning liquor or drugs doesn't. It just creates a new criminal market and new criminals.

Best way to stop criminals with guns is with good guys with guns. Gun bans just disarm the good guys.

"Gun free zones" are where mass shootings take place -- they are full of sheep with no sheepdogs. Arm the teachers if you want to stop mass shootings in schools.



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22 Dec 2012, 4:39 pm

The whole "gun free zone" thing is usually ignored here. In Alabama you can legally carry a gun almost anywhere, although some places have "suggestions" about it. An example is out emergency room. There is a sign on the door that says "You are welcome, your gun is not" but you seep people carrying openly there all the time. Hell, as long as you are not legally prohibited from owning a gun, you can carry openly without a permit here and many people do that. You can also legally have a gun on school property as long as you don't intend to use it illegally. In other words if you are legally allowed to carry, and you just happen to have it on your purse or on your hip, you do not have to remove it before going into a school.


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22 Dec 2012, 4:41 pm

In the mind of a criminal, an American gun ban would be brilliant. Then only the criminals and the government will have guns.

Don't follow the British example.



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22 Dec 2012, 5:01 pm

People that support banning guns are pretty much the modern day equivalent of prohibitionists. It's not something based in logic but rather their own morality. In fact, the same exact political forces that banned alcohol are pretty much the same that want to ban guns now.

Just like banning alcohol failed, just as drug prohibition now has failed, so would a gun ban.



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22 Dec 2012, 7:00 pm

What is wrong with the British example?

Its doing wonders for boxing in the UK. lol

The truth is america is saturated with guns and a ban would have limited effect unless sanctions were severe - which they wont be. So I think this has to be phased very slowly across generations. As it is such a fundamental issue to Americans, how about a referendum?

I like guns I think they are cool, but i would accept having a specific place where i have to go to blow the crap out of smth rather than keeping the guns at home - exceptions being people in rural areas with land to play with.



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22 Dec 2012, 7:27 pm

Guns themselves are a non-issue. What leads to mass killings and violence is the culture of a nation, not the amount of guns.

I don't feel greatly angered about not being able to own a gun. If l lived in the countryside, I could still get one. Having one wouldn't make me any safer, because I'd be at a disadvantage if I was ever attacked either way - I simply wouldn't be able to react fast enough, even if I was armed. Plus, I do think most people in my country are too stupid to be responsible with a gun, So from my British perspective, I support the ban. The US can do what it likes, although you could never ban handguns there without starting a revolution.



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22 Dec 2012, 7:52 pm

answeraspergers wrote:
What is wrong with the British example?

Its doing wonders for boxing in the UK. lol

The truth is america is saturated with guns and a ban would have limited effect unless sanctions were severe - which they wont be. So I think this has to be phased very slowly across generations. As it is such a fundamental issue to Americans, how about a referendum?

I like guns I think they are cool, but i would accept having a specific place where i have to go to blow the crap out of smth rather than keeping the guns at home - exceptions being people in rural areas with land to play with.


You found it! Yay! Welcome to the thread.

Thats the thing about gun control. It just won't work.

The only time I've ever actually needed a gun was when I lived in the city, never since I've lived in a rural area.


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22 Dec 2012, 8:00 pm

puddingmouse wrote:
Guns themselves are a non-issue. What leads to mass killings and violence is the culture of a nation, not the amount of guns.


Image

This single flag rather punctures the prohibitionists' argument about guns themselves being the problem. It's the criminal, the odd lone nutter with a grudge, the Schwarzschafe (I had to stick that in) that are the problem. Not your regular gun owner.

Jacoby wrote:
Just like banning alcohol failed, just as drug prohibition now has failed, so would a gun ban.


And how the pseudo-neoprohibitionism of tobacco control will also fail. Let freedom ring!

Now, where's my cheap pint, my cigarette, my Ruger and my packet of pork scratchings?



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22 Dec 2012, 8:03 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
Does anybody actually believe that banning guns would stop gun violence and crime?


OliveOilMom wrote:
Thats the thing about gun control. It just won't work.



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22 Dec 2012, 8:54 pm

puddingmouse wrote:
Guns themselves are a non-issue. What leads to mass killings and violence is the culture of a nation, not the amount of guns.


I'll throw my support behind that.


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22 Dec 2012, 8:57 pm

If banning things worked in the US then we must not really have an illegal drug problem.
How long has the "war on drugs" been going on without signs of the ban being effective?
The public's support of the war on drugs is wearing thin but there never will be even this much support on a war on guns.
There will be even less support still when John Q. Citizen realizes that, in effect, the gun ban applies to him but apparently not the lowlife that shot and killed his son or daughter in a carjacking or 7-11 robbery. Add insult to injury when the police don't have the manpower to do a thorough investigation of said shooting because they're stretched thin enforcing the gun ban.


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22 Dec 2012, 8:59 pm

Gun bans work great in other countries, but it will take at least two generations before it can happen here.



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22 Dec 2012, 9:03 pm

Jacoby wrote:
People that support banning guns are pretty much the modern day equivalent of prohibitionists. It's not something based in logic but rather their own morality. In fact, the same exact political forces that banned alcohol are pretty much the same that want to ban guns now.

Just like banning alcohol failed, just as drug prohibition now has failed, so would a gun ban.


Hardly, unless one gets some intoxicating effect from the gun. If so, you probably shouldn't be handling guns...



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22 Dec 2012, 9:36 pm

Did prohibition work? No.

Is the drug war working? No.

So.......


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22 Dec 2012, 9:44 pm

PM wrote:
Did prohibition work? No.

Is the drug war working? No.

So.......


Guns are objects that require other objects to work. Drugs just need you.