Gifford's unregulated assault dog murders baby sea lion

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27 Mar 2013, 1:15 am

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So Gabby Gifford's husband Mark Kelly and their 18 year old daughter were walking their 65lb bulldog on Laguna Beach without a leash when they lost control of their dog and it savagely murdered a defenseless baby sea lion. Isn't it time that we have a national conversation on these vicious assault dogs? How many more baby sea lions have to die before we come to some common sense solutions?

Maybe it's time we have background checks to stop these assault dogs falling into the hands of irresponsible and incompetent owners like Mrs. and Mr. Giffords, Even further, maybe we should ban these assault dogs altogether. What purpose does this dog serve for a normal every day citizen? Does it make Mark Kelly feel like more of a man having one? Is he afraid of black people? How can we allow these animals of mass destruction around our children? Dogs that share 2 or more features of these assault dogs should also be banned. These assault dogs and dogs like them belong on the battlefield and with police, not every day citizens.

This all comes at the same time that Mark Kelly attempted to straw purchase an AR15, luckily the store found out of his plans and canceled his order. Obviously the man is unstable.



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27 Mar 2013, 2:59 am

First we get Double Barrel' Joe Biden, and now this guy; I've always maintained that gun controllers are a bunch of clowns, but this is a whole new level.


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27 Mar 2013, 9:51 am

The constitution certainly doesn't guarantee the right to own a dog. Someone should have shot that dog.



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27 Mar 2013, 10:10 am

To be fair, Giffords used to be pro-gun before she got shot. So sort of a low blow to pick on her, imo.

I find the husband's story pretty laughable, with the AR-15. Sure, you weren't just buying it because everyone is buying AR-15s after Sandy Hook. I do love that the "elite" can do wtfever they want. And many people who support gun control are just rich gun collectors. Steven Spielberg supports gun control and has a gigantic gun collection. If you're rich, gun control isn't gonna affect you anyway, so f**k it, right?



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27 Mar 2013, 10:14 am

Animals can't be murdered, only killed.

The dog killed the seal.

Only this, and nothing more.



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27 Mar 2013, 10:42 am

I think its less about assault dogs, but "dog politics" seem to be else in USA. So when watching TV shows about dogs (that cesar guy that was also in southpark ^^) I often hear that this and that dog already has bitten someone, "so now maybe there should be something done about it." O_o

If a dog bites a person in my country, you have automatic a legal proceeding, because as owner of the dog you are responsible for it in every second. If the dog bites someone, you didnt watch for your dog. Additional, if there is suspect that you were acting completely negligently (as example: Dog plays around in the park, kid plays with a ball not seeing the dog and kicks the dog by accident, dog bites one time at a not deadly body part because of being afraid. = you are responsible but its more of an accident. In the opposite, because of you being unable to train your dog, your dog sees a kid running away and sees it as a prey, so he starts to chase it, because you are additiontial too dumb to fix it to you with a cord and it bites the kid = you are an idiot.), you are forced to visit the local official veterinary to proof that you are capable of keeping your dog, who can force you to visit a dog training, if he thinks you need it.

If you dont approve, or the local veterinary says that you are anyway completely unable to keep a dog, the dog is taken from you by force. (This is rather rare: As example proletarian, aggressive idiots, training their dog with purpose for deadly attacks and allowing these artificial aggressive trained dogs to run around free.)

And to the topic of the seal baby: A dog running free and hunting natural wild deers can be shot the very second by any official hunter in my country, because they are supposed to think that its a wild dog that they are ordered to shoot. Because if it wasnt a wild dog, either would it have the training not to hunt wild deers without order, or the owner was forced to fix it to him with a cord, if he knows that his dog dont follow his commands or is yet not trained well enough. So normally they dont do that and simply yell at you to fix your dog, but if you dont change your behaviour and allow your dog further to hunt animals, they actually shoot.

But a dog, running around free, killing animals on his own without listening to his owner, is simply not acceptable.



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27 Mar 2013, 10:50 am

In other news...

Police investigate girl's fatal mauling by dogs

A dead seal inspires outrage, yet a 14-year old girl mauled to death by a bulldog, two bull terriers and a bull mastiff sparks not one bit of concern.

What's the matter? Is a baby seal cuter or just more intrinsically valuable than a human being?



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27 Mar 2013, 11:16 am

Fnord wrote:
In other news...

Police investigate girl's fatal mauling by dogs

A dead seal inspires outrage, yet a 14-year old girl mauled to death by a bulldog, two bull terriers and a bull mastiff sparks not one bit of concern.

What's the matter? Is a baby seal cuter or just more intrinsically valuable than a human being?


you're not making any sense.

There was never any outrage about this seal incident (the OP is faking outrage as a joke).
There is always plenty of outrage about children being injured by dangerous dogs.

But lessay that what you're saying was not ass-backward and were factually correct. What then? What point are you trying to make?

Do you want MORE outrage about dangerous dogs? Or do you want LESS outrage about dangerous dogs?



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27 Mar 2013, 12:03 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
... the OP is faking outrage as a joke...

Not an obvious joke to me, even now.



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27 Mar 2013, 12:36 pm

I get the joke, but dogs are not weapons of mass destruction. Bullets are much faster. (However, it is so irksome when people insist on letting their dogs off leash! Dogs are predators and if the opportunity presents itself their instinct will kick in.)



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27 Mar 2013, 2:40 pm

Fnord wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
... the OP is faking outrage as a joke...

Not an obvious joke to me, even now.


Mark Kelly and his wife, Gabby Giffords, front a gun control group trying to ban assault weapons. We're mocking them for owning a dangerous "assault dog".

To answer one of the above posters, I think we're primarily mocking Mark Kelly, as that whole "I was only buying the AR-15 to prove how easy it was" was a ridiculous load of crap, the man's a hypocrite.

He's still not as dumb as Joe "shoot through the door" Biden though, not by a long shot.


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27 Mar 2013, 2:49 pm

This wasn't intentional but highlights the needs for dog owner to understand, that they need to train their, an provide them a healthy pack role, and be generally responsible.



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27 Mar 2013, 2:52 pm

As an aside if a dog has locked down it it is not goign to help to pull the seal by the other end, unless you are yanking the neck to put it out of its misery.

In all honestly through, this is nothing compared to what a great white shark does to a seal.



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27 Mar 2013, 3:54 pm

1000Knives wrote:
To be fair, Giffords used to be pro-gun before she got shot. So sort of a low blow to pick on her, imo.

I find the husband's story pretty laughable, with the AR-15. Sure, you weren't just buying it because everyone is buying AR-15s after Sandy Hook. I do love that the "elite" can do wtfever they want. And many people who support gun control are just rich gun collectors. Steven Spielberg supports gun control and has a gigantic gun collection. If you're rich, gun control isn't gonna affect you anyway, so f**k it, right?


I sympathize with what happened to Gabby Giffords and those other people on that tragic day in Tuscon. I also feel bad about the way they've exploited the disabled, I knew from the moment we all learned that Gabby Giffords was going to live that they'd parade this poor woman around the country pushing their agenda regardless of her cognitive state. It is ironic in a way I guess that before she was shot she was one of those hated "conservative DLC Democrats" that was targeted by her own party for removal only now to become a "liberal icon". I guess being used as a prop by the gun grabbing lobby is grounds for becoming an "icon" to left wingers. The whole thing makes me sick.

Mark Kelly has been exposed as a hypocrite and a liar by his attempted purchase of an AR15. He claims it was to see how easy to purchase one but that doesn't exactly add up when you consider that he was buying a used gun with multiple modifications which required a 20 day wait period, how is that showing how "easy"? He could of bought a new gun without those modifications and walked out of the store that day with it if my facts are correct(perhaps Dox or someone can back me up) The man is a former astronaut and husband of a former congresswoman that survived an assassination, what does him purchasing a gun show that's wrong with the system? So it appears to purchasing this weapon for protection of himself and his wife, the very same weapon they are now advocating be banned for everyday citizens like ourselves.

The keyword when describing Mark Kelly is that he is a former astronaut, what is he now? He's a prospective politician and already has a good start; being caught lying and being a hypocrite. This man's future political career is 100% dependent on the fact that he is the husband of Gabriel Giffords and their advocacy against the 2nd amendment.

Further more, than man can't even control his 65lb bulldog(which he did not have on a leash) from mauling defenseless baby sea lion. How his idiot daughter tried to pull the dog off that poor animal probably contributed just as much to it's death as the mauling. How can a man who can't even control his own dog tell us who can and cannot own a gun. I expect him to turn that dog over to the proper authorities for it to be put down and for him to forever surrender his right to own a dog, he's obviously not a responsible or competent dog owner.



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27 Mar 2013, 5:05 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Further more, than man can't even control his 65lb bulldog(which he did not have on a leash) from mauling defenseless baby sea lion. How his idiot daughter tried to pull the dog off that poor animal probably contributed just as much to it's death as the mauling. How can a man who can't even control his own dog tell us who can and cannot own a gun. I expect him to turn that dog over to the proper authorities for it to be put down and for him to forever surrender his right to own a dog, he's obviously not a responsible or competent dog owner.


Putting the dog down seems a bit harsh. Should we put down cats that catch mice?



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27 Mar 2013, 5:31 pm

My point was to parallel "dog control" with gun control. A dog is a lot like gun in the sense that an aggressive and dangerous dog is usually reflective on the owner of the dog much in the same sense that guns don't kill people, people kill people. It's not the dog or the gun that is the real problem here. Obviously they're not 100% the same but I consider it a fair comparison, gun grabbers like Mark Kelly should live by the same standard in all facets of their lives. Not only can't Mark Kelly handle his dog, he wants to own a gun that he wants other people to be restricted from having. He's the embodiment of an elitist.