Maybe we all need to reexamine our dislike of government

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09 Mar 2014, 8:15 pm

*warning america-centric post ahead*

Sure there are problems.

But aren't there far more things good about it?

http://www.governmentisgood.com/



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09 Mar 2014, 9:07 pm

Government has always been an evil, and the main cause of the fall of every culture before ours.

Ibn Khaldun 1300

The main problem with government is it is self regulating. Once elected the people lose all control.

It is the worst example of , To big to fail.

We need to make them fight each other.

Combine Parks, Foresty and EPA, with a mandate to plant trees, and maintain clean air and water.

We now have a situation where the Farm Bill can cut Food Stamps, a Social Program for non farmers.

Education is held captive by the Teachers Union. Parents and students are excluded.

The government of the Founders did not do any of these things.

Government is recording this message.



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09 Mar 2014, 9:22 pm

Government is a necessary evil but a contaminant to the wellbeing of a nation's people.
For that reason it's obvious that government should be kept small and un-intrusive.


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10 Mar 2014, 12:01 am

Raptor wrote:
Government is a necessary evil but a contaminant to the wellbeing of a nation's people.
For that reason it's obvious that government should be kept small and un-intrusive.


Yeah, government is necessary to an extent. But once they get large enough that they can't be held accountable for their actions, all the rules go out the window.

I guess I mostly agree with Raptor. Prepare for asteroid impact in 5...4...3...



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10 Mar 2014, 1:19 am

*examines dislike of government*

Man, now I hate the government even more! The harder you look, the more you find to enrage you!


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10 Mar 2014, 2:33 am

I'm a political pragmatist. I support those who support me. Our current government are tories, who are anti-disability, anti-welfare, anti-anyone who didn't go to eton.

Why exactly shouldn't I want them all to hang?



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10 Mar 2014, 2:55 am

People who shout the slogan, "smaller government," are really shouting for more corporate tyranny. It's pure propaganda. Poor conservatives have been indoctrinated with the idea that the government is an enemy so they will support market deregulation, and cutting social programs; actions that undermine the interests of those same poor conservatives, while strengthening the ability of big business to harm the public through unchecked externalities.



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10 Mar 2014, 9:34 am

Stannis wrote:
People who shout the slogan, "smaller government," are really shouting for more corporate tyranny.


When any entity gets to be too big, it becomes a threat to liberty.

A free society needs structures in place to frustrate the acquisition of power or a few blocks become so large that they can act with little or no consensus from the majority.



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10 Mar 2014, 9:55 am

Stannis wrote:
People who shout the slogan, "smaller government," are really shouting for more corporate tyranny. It's pure propaganda. Poor conservatives have been indoctrinated with the idea that the government is an enemy so they will support market deregulation, and cutting social programs; actions that undermine the interests of those same poor conservatives, while strengthening the ability of business to harm the public through unchecked externalities.


Not all conservatives (more like not many) are totally in bed with big business .We do support free enterprise which the left seems to want to topple starting from the top down. The poison that comes with big government just isn't worth whatever little regulation they use to keep big business in check with.


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10 Mar 2014, 10:53 am

Raptor wrote:
Stannis wrote:
People who shout the slogan, "smaller government," are really shouting for more corporate tyranny. It's pure propaganda. Poor conservatives have been indoctrinated with the idea that the government is an enemy so they will support market deregulation, and cutting social programs; actions that undermine the interests of those same poor conservatives, while strengthening the ability of business to harm the public through unchecked externalities.


Not all conservatives (more like not many) are totally in bed with big business .We do support free enterprise which the left seems to want to topple starting from the top down. The poison that comes with big government just isn't worth whatever little regulation they use to keep big business in check with.


The rank and file might not be, but I think you'll find most of the candidates who they support are. To be fair so is most of the democratic party. The accusation that the democrats are somehow anti big- business is totally unfounded. There are important differences between the parties, but this is not one of them. And, no, it's not a good thing when we let certain business interests become so powerful that they are able to hijack both sides of politics and use government to undermine the public interest. And, no, this does not mean that it is a good idea to neuter the best mechanism we have of regulating big business on the publics behalf, compromised though it may be.



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10 Mar 2014, 10:58 am

Raptor wrote:
Stannis wrote:
People who shout the slogan, "smaller government," are really shouting for more corporate tyranny. It's pure propaganda. Poor conservatives have been indoctrinated with the idea that the government is an enemy so they will support market deregulation, and cutting social programs; actions that undermine the interests of those same poor conservatives, while strengthening the ability of business to harm the public through unchecked externalities.


Not all conservatives (more like not many) are totally in bed with big business .We do support free enterprise which the left seems to want to topple starting from the top down. The poison that comes with big government just isn't worth whatever little regulation they use to keep big business in check with.


In case you haven't noticed, big business is the government. Your elected officials in DC are there because someone bought them with a sh*t-ton of campaign financing. Our government has been a proxy war for the wealthy fo quite some time.


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10 Mar 2014, 11:12 am

I reexamined it and found that it wasn't nearly strong enough. Resolved to fortify it immediately. Thanks for the nudge.



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10 Mar 2014, 11:30 am

sonofghandi wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Stannis wrote:
People who shout the slogan, "smaller government," are really shouting for more corporate tyranny. It's pure propaganda. Poor conservatives have been indoctrinated with the idea that the government is an enemy so they will support market deregulation, and cutting social programs; actions that undermine the interests of those same poor conservatives, while strengthening the ability of business to harm the public through unchecked externalities.


Not all conservatives (more like not many) are totally in bed with big business .We do support free enterprise which the left seems to want to topple starting from the top down. The poison that comes with big government just isn't worth whatever little regulation they use to keep big business in check with.


In case you haven't noticed, big business is the government. Your elected officials in DC are there because someone bought them with a sh*t-ton of campaign financing. Our government has been a proxy war for the wealthy fo quite some time.


If that were the case and with big business being replete with hate filled conservatives like me, then the liberals would never get their way.


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10 Mar 2014, 12:08 pm

I think he makes some good points. He's right that, in general, the government is a good thing as long as it doesn't overstep the mark.

Lostathome wrote:
I'm a political pragmatist. I support those who support me. Our current government are tories, who are anti-disability, anti-welfare, anti-anyone who didn't go to eton.

Why exactly shouldn't I want them all to hang?

Well, the blog is mostly aimed at an American audience.

But you're not describing the government as such, you're describing Parliament. The government goes well beyond them, to teachers, doctors, nurses, social workers, the police, fire services, regulators, and rubbish collectors.



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10 Mar 2014, 12:59 pm

Most anarchists out there wouldn't survive long without a government, that's for sure.



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10 Mar 2014, 1:52 pm

zer0netgain wrote:
Stannis wrote:
People who shout the slogan, "smaller government," are really shouting for more corporate tyranny.


When any entity gets to be too big, it becomes a threat to liberty.

A free society needs structures in place to frustrate the acquisition of power or a few blocks become so large that they can act with little or no consensus from the majority.


Then Wall Street and big business - by your own definition - is also a threat to liberty.


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