23 Jul 2016, 1:45 pm
I have continually said in previous threads that there are problems (like black-on-black crime, poverty, education etc.) that I believe should be priorities of the Black Lives Matter movement, but do not seem to be. Instead, they seem to focus all their attention on racism in the police, as well as in society in general. I have yet to see much evidence supporting that there is a lot of racism in the police, but I am willing to grant that there is at least some.
However, this still does not mean that it should be the major focus of BLM. According to mappingpoliceviolence.org, at least 102 unarmed black men were shot and killed by police in 2015. Some of them seem like they were probably justified, some of them seem questionable, and some of them look outright inexcusable. But either way, the fact remains that 102 is not a very large number, especially when compared to the victims of black crime.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/20 ... s/table-43
As you can see, the majority of murders and robberies in 2013 were committed by black people, despite them being only 13.2% of the population. They are also disproportionately represented in almost every other category. Not only that, but the leading cause of death for young black males ages 15-34 is homicide, committed largely by other black males. That, to me, seems like a much bigger problem than 102 unjustified and justified shootings.
You would think this would be cause for alarm for a group called "Black Lives Matter". Many people tell me that it is, that they are talking about it, and that I'm just assuming that they can't care about both issues (which I never said). But lets see what the official Black Lives Matter website, founded by the creators of the original hashtag, has to say about that.
http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-mi ... -movement/
Here, they will explain my "misconception" that they don't care about their own people killing each other.
Black Lives Matter wrote:
1. The movement doesn’t care about black-on-black crime. The idea that black-on-black crime is not a significant political conversation among black people is patently false. In Chicago, long maligned for its high rates of intraracial murder, members of the community created the Violence Interrupters to disrupt violent altercations before they escalate. However, those who insist on talking about black-on-black crime frequently fail to acknowledge that most crime is intraracial. Ninety-three percent of black murder victims are killed by other black people. Eighty-four percent of white murder victims are killed by other white people. The continued focus on black-on-black crime is a diversionary tactic, whose goal is to suggest that black people don’t have the right to be outraged about police violence in vulnerable black communities, because those communities have a crime problem. The Black Lives Matter movement acknowledges the crime problem, but it refuses to locate that crime problem as a problem of black pathology. Black people are not inherently more violent or more prone to crime than other groups. But black people are disproportionately poorer, more likely to be targeted by police and arrested, and more likely to attend poor or failing schools. All of these social indicators place one at greater risk for being either a victim or a perpetrator of violent crime. To reduce violent crime, we must fight to change systems, rather than demonizing people.
"In Chicago, long maligned for its high rates of intraracial murder, members of the community created the Violence Interrupters to disrupt violent altercations before they escalate."
Apparently Black Lives Matter thinks they can take credit for movements they didn't have anything to do with in order to say they care. Already we're off to a great start.
"However, those who insist on talking about black-on-black crime frequently fail to acknowledge that most crime is intraracial. Ninety-three percent of black murder victims are killed by other black people. Eighty-four percent of white murder victims are killed by other white people."
I acknowledge that most crime is intraracial. That is irrelevant. It's not the fact that black people kill other black people that is the problem; it is the sheer number of black people being killed by other blacks that is startling. Like I said, it's the leading cause of death in black males ages 15-34. Blacks commit more homicides than whites despite being only 13.2% of the population. But BLM conveniently leaves that little tidbit out. Probably because it doesn't fit their narrative that the problem is actually white racism.
"The continued focus on black-on-black crime is a diversionary tactic, whose goal is to suggest that black people don’t have the right to be outraged about police violence in vulnerable black communities, because those communities have a crime problem. The Black Lives Matter movement acknowledges the crime problem, but it refuses to locate that crime problem as a problem of black pathology."
First they call it a diversionary tactic from white racism
and then there it is: BLM refuses to admit that the black community should take any responsibility for the crimes committed within their community. Yeah, that certainly sounds like they support talking about solutions. 
"Black people are not inherently more violent or more prone to crime than other groups. But black people are disproportionately poorer, more likely to be targeted by police and arrested, and more likely to attend poor or failing schools. All of these social indicators place one at greater risk for being either a victim or a perpetrator of violent crime. To reduce violent crime, we must fight to change systems, rather than demonizing people."
BLM just said the solution is not to demonize people. I guess cops aren't people then, because BLM demonizes the heck out of them.
So there you have it. The official BLM website says it doesn't care about black-on-black crime, because according to them: while it is a teeny problem, the REAL problem is systemic racism. They fail to explain how that is actually the case. But come on, how could you expect that from them? I mean, they're black, and they live in America. They probably don't have much time to think about such things as logic and evidence, what with all the racist white police prowling about, who would love nothing more than to drag them into the street and beat them to death. They're everywhere!
23 Jul 2016, 3:08 pm
L_Holmes wrote:
I have continually said in previous threads that there are problems (like black-on-black crime, poverty, education etc.) that I believe should be priorities of the Black Lives Matter movement, but do not seem to be. Instead, they seem to focus all their attention on racism in the police, as well as in society in general. I have yet to see much evidence supporting that there is a lot of racism in the police, but I am willing to grant that there is at least some.
However, this still does not mean that it should be the major focus of BLM. According to mappingpoliceviolence.org, at least 102 unarmed black men were shot and killed by police in 2015. Some of them seem like they were probably justified, some of them seem questionable, and some of them look outright inexcusable. But either way, the fact remains that 102 is not a very large number, especially when compared to the victims of black crime.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/20 ... s/table-43
As you can see, the majority of murders and robberies in 2013 were committed by black people, despite them being only 13.2% of the population. They are also disproportionately represented in almost every other category. Not only that, but the leading cause of death for young black males ages 15-34 is homicide, committed largely by other black males. That, to me, seems like a much bigger problem than 102 unjustified and justified shootings.
You would think this would be cause for alarm for a group called "Black Lives Matter". Many people tell me that it is, that they are talking about it, and that I'm just assuming that they can't care about both issues (which I never said). But lets see what the official Black Lives Matter website, founded by the creators of the original hashtag, has to say about that.
http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-mi ... -movement/
Here, they will explain my "misconception" that they don't care about their own people killing each other.
"In Chicago, long maligned for its high rates of intraracial murder, members of the community created the Violence Interrupters to disrupt violent altercations before they escalate."
Apparently Black Lives Matter thinks they can take credit for movements they didn't have anything to do with in order to say they care. Already we're off to a great start.
"However, those who insist on talking about black-on-black crime frequently fail to acknowledge that most crime is intraracial. Ninety-three percent of black murder victims are killed by other black people. Eighty-four percent of white murder victims are killed by other white people."
I acknowledge that most crime is intraracial. That is irrelevant. It's not the fact that black people kill other black people that is the problem; it is the sheer number of black people being killed by other blacks that is startling. Like I said, it's the leading cause of death in black males ages 15-34. Blacks commit more homicides than whites despite being only 13.2% of the population. But BLM conveniently leaves that little tidbit out. Probably because it doesn't fit their narrative that the problem is actually white racism.
"The continued focus on black-on-black crime is a diversionary tactic, whose goal is to suggest that black people don’t have the right to be outraged about police violence in vulnerable black communities, because those communities have a crime problem. The Black Lives Matter movement acknowledges the crime problem, but it refuses to locate that crime problem as a problem of black pathology."
First they call it a diversionary tactic from white racism and then there it is: BLM refuses to admit that the black community should take any responsibility for the crimes committed within their community. Yeah, that certainly sounds like they support talking about solutions.
"Black people are not inherently more violent or more prone to crime than other groups. But black people are disproportionately poorer, more likely to be targeted by police and arrested, and more likely to attend poor or failing schools. All of these social indicators place one at greater risk for being either a victim or a perpetrator of violent crime. To reduce violent crime, we must fight to change systems, rather than demonizing people."
BLM just said the solution is not to demonize people. I guess cops aren't people then, because BLM demonizes the heck out of them.
So there you have it. The official BLM website says it doesn't care about black-on-black crime, because according to them: while it is a teeny problem, the REAL problem is systemic racism. They fail to explain how that is actually the case. But come on, how could you expect that from them? I mean, they're black, and they live in America. They probably don't have much time to think about such things as logic and evidence, what with all the racist white police prowling about, who would love nothing more than to drag them into the street and beat them to death. They're everywhere!
However, this still does not mean that it should be the major focus of BLM. According to mappingpoliceviolence.org, at least 102 unarmed black men were shot and killed by police in 2015. Some of them seem like they were probably justified, some of them seem questionable, and some of them look outright inexcusable. But either way, the fact remains that 102 is not a very large number, especially when compared to the victims of black crime.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/20 ... s/table-43
As you can see, the majority of murders and robberies in 2013 were committed by black people, despite them being only 13.2% of the population. They are also disproportionately represented in almost every other category. Not only that, but the leading cause of death for young black males ages 15-34 is homicide, committed largely by other black males. That, to me, seems like a much bigger problem than 102 unjustified and justified shootings.
You would think this would be cause for alarm for a group called "Black Lives Matter". Many people tell me that it is, that they are talking about it, and that I'm just assuming that they can't care about both issues (which I never said). But lets see what the official Black Lives Matter website, founded by the creators of the original hashtag, has to say about that.
http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-mi ... -movement/
Here, they will explain my "misconception" that they don't care about their own people killing each other.
Black Lives Matter wrote:
1. The movement doesn’t care about black-on-black crime. The idea that black-on-black crime is not a significant political conversation among black people is patently false. In Chicago, long maligned for its high rates of intraracial murder, members of the community created the Violence Interrupters to disrupt violent altercations before they escalate. However, those who insist on talking about black-on-black crime frequently fail to acknowledge that most crime is intraracial. Ninety-three percent of black murder victims are killed by other black people. Eighty-four percent of white murder victims are killed by other white people. The continued focus on black-on-black crime is a diversionary tactic, whose goal is to suggest that black people don’t have the right to be outraged about police violence in vulnerable black communities, because those communities have a crime problem. The Black Lives Matter movement acknowledges the crime problem, but it refuses to locate that crime problem as a problem of black pathology. Black people are not inherently more violent or more prone to crime than other groups. But black people are disproportionately poorer, more likely to be targeted by police and arrested, and more likely to attend poor or failing schools. All of these social indicators place one at greater risk for being either a victim or a perpetrator of violent crime. To reduce violent crime, we must fight to change systems, rather than demonizing people.
"In Chicago, long maligned for its high rates of intraracial murder, members of the community created the Violence Interrupters to disrupt violent altercations before they escalate."
Apparently Black Lives Matter thinks they can take credit for movements they didn't have anything to do with in order to say they care. Already we're off to a great start.
"However, those who insist on talking about black-on-black crime frequently fail to acknowledge that most crime is intraracial. Ninety-three percent of black murder victims are killed by other black people. Eighty-four percent of white murder victims are killed by other white people."
I acknowledge that most crime is intraracial. That is irrelevant. It's not the fact that black people kill other black people that is the problem; it is the sheer number of black people being killed by other blacks that is startling. Like I said, it's the leading cause of death in black males ages 15-34. Blacks commit more homicides than whites despite being only 13.2% of the population. But BLM conveniently leaves that little tidbit out. Probably because it doesn't fit their narrative that the problem is actually white racism.
"The continued focus on black-on-black crime is a diversionary tactic, whose goal is to suggest that black people don’t have the right to be outraged about police violence in vulnerable black communities, because those communities have a crime problem. The Black Lives Matter movement acknowledges the crime problem, but it refuses to locate that crime problem as a problem of black pathology."
First they call it a diversionary tactic from white racism
and then there it is: BLM refuses to admit that the black community should take any responsibility for the crimes committed within their community. Yeah, that certainly sounds like they support talking about solutions. "Black people are not inherently more violent or more prone to crime than other groups. But black people are disproportionately poorer, more likely to be targeted by police and arrested, and more likely to attend poor or failing schools. All of these social indicators place one at greater risk for being either a victim or a perpetrator of violent crime. To reduce violent crime, we must fight to change systems, rather than demonizing people."
BLM just said the solution is not to demonize people. I guess cops aren't people then, because BLM demonizes the heck out of them.
So there you have it. The official BLM website says it doesn't care about black-on-black crime, because according to them: while it is a teeny problem, the REAL problem is systemic racism. They fail to explain how that is actually the case. But come on, how could you expect that from them? I mean, they're black, and they live in America. They probably don't have much time to think about such things as logic and evidence, what with all the racist white police prowling about, who would love nothing more than to drag them into the street and beat them to death. They're everywhere!
I'm curious how you would feel if you were an autism rights activist and non-autistic people were telling you all the time that you were making up the issues you face and focusing on the wrong things and should be focusing on how autistic people create their own issues by being autistic? I get the feeling you might resent someone who has never lived through any of your experiences as an autistic person telling you how you should feel about being autistic and what things you should advocate and what you should not. That you would resent a neurotypical person telling you there is no such thing as bullying of autistic people and you must be lying or "playing the victim" when you share your challenges that being autistic bring to your life. Wouldn't that be absurd--I mean, how could they know what your life is like as an autistic person if they are not autistic themselves? How could they presume to judge what you choose to care about and what rights of your own you choose to advocate for? How absurd would it be for them to take issue with you standing up for yourself against those who have bullied you for being autistic?
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kraftiekortie wrote:
One police officer killed for no reason is one too many.
One PERSON killed for no reason is one too many.
BLM has a right to their opinion, as long as they are not breaking the law when they are expressing that opinion.
Please, OP, don't be an advocate for "white rights" or something like that.
Please enroll in college.
One PERSON killed for no reason is one too many.
BLM has a right to their opinion, as long as they are not breaking the law when they are expressing that opinion.
Please, OP, don't be an advocate for "white rights" or something like that.
Please enroll in college.
I'm not a white rights advocate. So if I have criticisms for one individual black activist group, that makes me a "white rights advocate"? You realize you're basically implying I might become a white supremacist, right? Those are the only people I've ever heard talk about "white rights" in any serious manner.
I think that's a pretty nasty insinuation to make, honestly. I don't think you meant it that way, but I still think you're being pretty condescending. I'm here for a discussion, not to have someone tell me what to do with my life.
And of course, this is all beside the point, because you aren't even making an argument or commenting on anything specific that I said. The point is to discuss the topic of the thread, not to direct your criticisms at me as a person.
But because I'm criticizing black people, others immediately assume I'm being unfair without even considering what I've said, and they justify attacking my character instead of my argument. It's starting to get pretty old.
If you can't keep your emotions out of it, don't respond to the thread.
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