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Is Religion a NT trait?
Yes 52%  52%  [ 14 ]
No 48%  48%  [ 13 ]
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30 May 2007, 7:33 pm

Just wondering,
it seems a little like that to me.



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30 May 2007, 7:35 pm

I would have thought so before I came here.
I used to assume Aspies were more likely to be agnostic-atheists if anything, because of logic. To me, religion always seemed irrational, strange. Even from the age of about 8 when I started thinking about it myself in school.



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30 May 2007, 7:43 pm

If by religion you mean faith in an ideal then yes I would say more NT's do including the atheists. I think it's because our brains are wired to rely on logic more; I'm not saying that is better or worse that's just how it is.



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30 May 2007, 7:52 pm

i have no clue, so im gonna vote yes :P



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30 May 2007, 7:56 pm

:idea:

NT's seem to have more delusions of superiority and take pleasure when they believe they are superior.

Religions firmly believe that humans are ultimately superior to animals. They believe that humans are so far above animals, they completely block out the notion that humans are animals.

I can see why NT's would favor religion.

Hey, dominance and competition for superiority is remarkably similiar to how animals behave.



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30 May 2007, 7:57 pm

I also thought that all aspies were either agnostic or atheist, but I was surprised that it is not like that.
I started to question religious dogmas at 14, because I started to really think :P and some things didn't make sense to me at the time.



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30 May 2007, 8:00 pm

Jimbogf wrote:
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NT's seem to have more delusions of superiority and take pleasure when they believe they are superior.
LOL so you patronize NT's for thinking they are superior. Seems like perhaps that trait isn't exclusive to NT's.



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30 May 2007, 8:05 pm

Through browsing this board, it seems there are atheist aspies and agnostic aspies and religious aspies and fundamentalist aspies and everything in between. Just like NTs.


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30 May 2007, 8:07 pm

Phssthpok wrote:
Jimbogf wrote:
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NT's seem to have more delusions of superiority and take pleasure when they believe they are superior.
LOL so you patronize NT's for thinking they are superior. Seems like perhaps that trait isn't exclusive to NT's.


Oh aspies most definately do to, so do I. I believe NT's just do it more often. I take a lot of pleasure when I think I'm superior, I admit it. However I doubt most people would admit it, that would probably undermine their feelings of superiority, 'to give in' that's a sign of weakness. They must appear strong.



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30 May 2007, 8:07 pm

Phssthpok, can you explain a little more what you mean when you associate "faith in an ideal" with illogical thinking?

On another note entirely, I would caution that very little of that which operates under the guise of a logical thought process is in fact free of emotion and personal bias. It's remarkable to me the frequency with which self-professed logicians draw from the well of fallacious reasoning when arguing against religious beliefs.



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30 May 2007, 8:11 pm

Jimbogf wrote:
Oh aspies most definately do to, so do I. I believe NT's just do it more often. I take a lot of pleasure when I think I'm superior, I admit it. However I doubt most people would admit it, that would probably undermine their feelings of superiority, 'to give in' that's a sign of weakness. They must appear strong.

I agree with you there it's just sort of amusing that you would criticize them for a behavior you admit to yourself.



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30 May 2007, 8:18 pm

gwenevyn wrote:
Phssthpok, can you explain a little more what you mean when you associate "faith in an ideal" with illogical thinking?

On another note entirely, I would caution that very little of that which operates under the guise of a logical thought process is in fact free of emotion and personal bias. It's remarkable to me the frequency with which self-professed logicians draw from the well of fallacious reasoning when arguing against religious beliefs.
I was mostly referring to how even the people who accept that we are animals have a problem with people who act like animals. For example some people are ok with drug use and promiscuous sex but if I break someone jaw because they pissed me off now it isn't ok to act like an animal. I was using the term "faith in an ideal" as a catch all to include other notions of morality that almost every person has.



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30 May 2007, 8:24 pm

relgion is crap and mass delusion, only capable of being thought of by a sick and derranged NT mind.



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30 May 2007, 8:25 pm

Phssthpok wrote:
Jimbogf wrote:
Oh aspies most definately do to, so do I. I believe NT's just do it more often. I take a lot of pleasure when I think I'm superior, I admit it. However I doubt most people would admit it, that would probably undermine their feelings of superiority, 'to give in' that's a sign of weakness. They must appear strong.

I agree with you there it's just sort of amusing that you would criticize them for a behavior you admit to yourself.


EVERYONE takes pleasure when they feel they are superior. It's a dominance instinct, we are animals. I'm criticizing everyone, included myself.

Maybe I should be religious, oh boy! Then I would know the meaning to life and the secrets of the universe. I would know everything, the universe is 6000 years old, god made everything. Hallelujah! I know it all! AND I get to be superior to animals......



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30 May 2007, 8:32 pm

Jimbogf wrote:
EVERYONE takes pleasure when they feel they are superior. It's a dominance instinct, we are animals. I'm criticizing everyone, included myself.

Maybe I should be religious, oh boy! Then I would know the meaning to life and the secrets of the universe. I would know everything, the universe is 6000 years old, god made everything. Hallelujah! I know it all! AND I get to be superior to animals......


So when you said,

Jimbogf wrote:
NT's seem to have more delusions of superiority and take pleasure when they believe they are superior.


you meant people with AS too?



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30 May 2007, 8:42 pm

Xenon wrote:
Through browsing this board, it seems there are atheist aspies and agnostic aspies and religious aspies and fundamentalist aspies and everything in between. Just like NTs.

and I thought aspies were different :roll:



I thought of a NT trait, because it seems to me, I am not really sure, but it seems that it is likely that this religion thing works mostly with high functioning aspies or high functioning autistics. I can't say exactly how that could work in the more severe cases.

Second:
Religion is full with ideas and dogmas, which is more into the social aspect and social rituals that are imposed to people. You are thought that you have to read the bible everyday, and you have to say your prayers and to sing and to assist to church, I thought that's a perfectly easy thing to do for a NT, but how is it for an aspie?

If you have any other obsession, you wouldn't want to do any of those religious rituals at all, you just want to be focus in your interests, unless that is your obsession: Religion. And how to work with the social aspect.

I don't see myself being able to fit in a group, or assisting in a church, with people behaving in a way you are not comfortable with, being judged, etc.

I know Ragtime can answer me that question based in his experience.

Third:
The logical aspects Science vs Religion.



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